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I will preface this by saying I understand that I am more radical, revolutionary, and extreme of a leftist than most. Despite that, I still ask that you actually engage with this as I'm asking in good faith.

When is enough enough? We have elected a fascist into the highest office and handed the keys to him and his friends. Is now not the time to actually get organized, involved, and armed? In my opinion, the time for peaceful, democratic means of avoiding fascism was before the election. But we have failed to do so, and as such there will soon be a tyrant in power. Are we going to wait until troops are rolling down the street to stage any form of resistance, because by then it's far too late. Now I want to be clear that I am not advocating for random acts of violence or an insurrection like January 6th. But is this not a point of radicalization? Is this not where we start organizing within our communities and getting involved in mutual aid and resistance? How much more do we need before people are actually ready to stand, fight, and maybe even die to avoid continuing down the path that we are on? Fascism is not on the horizon, it is here. Are we really to do nothing about it as a society except lay down and accept our fate? Because that doesn't jive with me. That makes absolutely no sense to me.

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[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 39 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

71 million in a country of 262 million adults. 27% voted for fascism. 74 million voted for trump in 2020. This wasn't a shit towards fascism, but the opposition party utterly failing to win voters.

The country has never been majority rule. Every modern election has split the country in thirds, about a third votes one way, a third votes the other and a third choses not to vote.

Over 70% of voting aged americans did not vote for trump.

[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 hours ago

Unless you make voting mandatory, that will always be the case. Regardless, the split amongst non-voters is statistically likely to be the same as the people who actually voted. Consider the election to be an information poll, with a sample size of ~65% of the entire eligible population.

So with updated numbers, Trump got 72.5M out of ~240M eligible voters, so yeah you could say that 70% of the population didn't vote for him. But then to be clear, you should also look at Harris's 68M votes, and say that 72% of the population didn't vote for her.

The people who mark and deposit their ballots are the only measure we have of the nation's opinion, and in that contest a majority of the votes went to Trump.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 35 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

And over 70% of eligible voters didn't vote against Trump.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago

It's disappeared ballots and a bought electoral college.

[–] Goun@lemmy.ml 9 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Wait, did Trump win with 27% of votes!? How do you still use this system?

[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

No, that's a misleading number.

27% of the entire eligible population voted for him. Less than that voted for Harris. About 45% of eligible voters didn't bother.

So Trump got more than 50% of the popular vote, as well as the majority of seats. First past the poll is a terrible system, but it's not the system that's at fault here, it's the voters.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

HE won the fucking Popular vote!?!?!

[–] vanontom@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Likely, although all votes are not counted yet. All while getting fewer votes than previously, so he was very beatable. It seems people were just not excited to vote for Harris.

Coincidentally, a woman has never been elected POTUS, and she shifted right to embrace "former Republicans" while shrugging off progressives. Total coincidence.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 points 3 hours ago

I'm starting to think that America just really doesn't give a shit about politics if one of their choices is a woman.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 27 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

No, he got >50% of all votes that were cast. The voting system wasn't the problem this time, the voters were.

[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

If the voters are the problem every time, the problem probably isn't the voters, it's probably the system. The US always has bad turnout.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 11 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

A turnout between 60 and 70% is actually pretty standard for a Western democracy without mandatory voting.

The voting system wasn't the issue, here. The people around you are.

[–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago

Tradition dear boy