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[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world -1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (3 children)

DNC as an organization is shit.

I'm talking to Democrats. I'm trying to tell you what your next move should be. The movement and overall organization of the Democrat Party goes above and beyond just its leadership.

I'm talking to you, specifically. First thing we must do is understand why we lost, and that means understanding how Trump won. And the first step there is to stop taking him as a buffoon (even if he is), because there's a lot of people helping him succeed. We need to think about the whole enemy here, not just Trump but everyone who helped him this year.


And instead of complaining to DNC leadership (who obviously tried everything they could to stop Trump), start thinking about how to defeat MAGA Republicans. Donald Trump is absolutely a shittier candidate than Kamala in every way imaginable. Its not a policy loss here.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 17 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (3 children)

And instead of complaining to DNC leadership (who obviously tried everything they could to stop Trump)

Emphasis mine! The last 48 hours have been wild to watch as a foreigner. American Liberals have got their heads stuck in a fantasy land, so far up their own asses, they might as well be MAGA-lite.

The DNC, and entire Democrat party, do not represent D voters. They represent the AmeriCorp plutocracy, who've bought and paid for 90+% of both parties the entire god damn time.

Let me put it this way. The greatest achievement the Dems have made in the last 15 years is the ACA — a republican plan — and what it achieved is still the worst health care system in the entire developed world (dollar for dollar). Democrats (probably you) touted this as a major success. Do you understand how much of a failed state that makes America look to the rest of the world?

Maybe one day you'll understand that neoliberalism created the conditions for MAGA to exploit; that MAGA is just as much a failure of the Democrats, and neoliberalism, as it is of the Republicans, and conservatism. Doesn't look like that's gonna be anytime soon though, so get ready to spend the rest of your life under fascism because Liberals are making it abundantly clear that they're never gonna get it.

Maybe it's time you stop directing your anger at the left or right, and start directing it at the corporate whores who line your own parties ranks.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

We aren't getting rid of that in the next 4 years. And I'm a former Republican so I'm not exactly against corporate interests (indeed, corporate interests is where the money and support is).

I'm an anti Trump and as of now, former Republican. This was it for me, it's clear that Republicans can never defeat MAGA so I'm switching to the Democrats side and gonna see what I can do here.

I get that Democrats are more liberal than me so I'll accept my place as a minority view. But I'm not against corporate interests. I'm just against the disaster that's about to happen here in America and now willing to join Democrats to stop it in 2026 and 2028.

Emphasis mine! The last 48 hours have been wild to watch as a foreigner. American Liberals have got their heads stuck in a fantasy land, so far up their own asses, they might as well be MAGA-lite.

This is literally why people say Blue MAGA. These people are so scared of trump they would rather lie to cover democrats mistakes then criticize the democrats, because they're terrified criticizing dems leads to trump. Thats Blue MAGA, and it's quite real.

[–] freshcow@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Good analysis. You also should understand that Americans are HEAVILY propagandized, since most of our major media outlets are also captured by the same corporate interests that bribe our politicians. Critiques of capitalism are de facto not allowed, because that would be bad for business. (Not to mention the previous decades of cold war era "red scare" nonsense the older generations grew up with) As a result, many democrats don't know how to receive criticism from the left, and can't even conceive that there might be a different path besides "status quo" and "conservative hellscape".

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 hours ago

Donald Trump is absolutely a shittier candidate than Kamala in every way imaginable.

And this approach to campaigning does. not. win. elections.

[–] cicebazna@discuss.online 7 points 6 hours ago

Every one of those MAGA people WANT the shit storm he will bring. It’s not even about politics for a lot of them. They want to own the libs. The problem with this two party system is that it literally splits us in two on a social level. To be blue, you have to want abortion and trans rights and be all “soft” and “liberal,” which for some reason makes people uncomfortable. And to be red, you have to want to take rights away from women and round up the immigrants.

The MAGA hate the “libs” more than the libs hate the MAGA… and that’s why they showed up in such great numbers.