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I spent hours trying to persuade US voters to choose Harris not Trump. I know why she lost | Oliver Hall
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 09 Nov 2024
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As soon as Trump takes office, the nuance you're evaluating these numbers with will be lost. I've lived this thing before, Trump may use economic conditions to his benefit rhetorically and may even disagree with the numbers while he's out of power, but the instant he's in the same numbers will automatically signal to him and his cult of supporters that everything is great and people should stop complaining.
Correct, there is zero chance of ever getting through to these 75 million people... But there was a very good chance of getting through to the 10 million who stayed home but had voted last time, and at least some chance of getting through to the 50% who regularly don't vote... But the Dems never go after those people, they continue to insist on wasting everyone's time by only going after the imbeciles with actual policy changes (they go after the 10 million with bullying and fear mongering, which clearly doesn't work)
Maybe and maybe not. Maybe I actually don't give a fuck because all of this "but they didn't actually improve main street" online shit also disappears during Republican administrations. I've been through multiple cycles of this shit and the people whining about the dnc online are just another level in Dante's Inferno.
We get it, you guys love Bernie and think Bernie would've won everything. Carry that energy forward for another decade if you don't wind up in a Trump camp first.
Bernie and AOC have been advocating for Americans to build a movement to get progressive policies passed by building from the bottom up, but instead everything is the mean old dnc's fault despite the fact that there is no movement, no community, and so all you're left with is career politicians trying to form an alliance out of everyone that doesn't want to vote fascism. There's a reason Democrats can't run a coherent campaign, they don't have a fucking coherent constituency.
I think for a lot of people the choice ended up being between a quick leap into fascism or the ongoing painfully slow fascism temperature being risen one degree to keep the other guy from blowing it to 100, and I think more people than I'd have hoped decided to let the bandaid be ripped off
Less people than you think thought that was the choice. Americans are big time ignorant of politics and even on this site we had people asking if this was a normal election.
According to those who voted, this election was about the economy. 🙄
Most people probably couldn't tell you the first thing about fascism or even capitalism.
I wouldn't say 5 million people thinking this way would be out of the question though.. Would you? And are they polling the people who voted for Biden but didn't show up this time? Because that data would be wildly valuable
It really wouldn't shock me if a lot of the loss could be attributed to the fact that they couldn't mail it in from the couch as easily this go around. I also think that people in this country are not as progressive socially as some of the most ardent people online like to pretend. Some simply didn't want to vote for a woman...which is part of what the article says.
I got 2 ballots mailed to me, and just had to fill one out and send it in. There's no reason it couldn't have been that easy for everyone. Anywhere that it was harder than that, I'd guess Republicans were behind it, but if it was Dems they should be kicked out of the party, if the party wanted to start leading the widely varied left.
No one on the actual left wouldn't vote for a woman because she's a woman... These are mutually exclusive things