Well I do think getting protein from many sources makes more sense and easier to obtain. Are there other options? Absolutely. But how available are they at all times and how much do I need to eat to get the same amount? I hear what you are saying by selfishness but we kind of have to be. It's what fuels this giant meat puppet I move around daily.

[–] Jon_Servo@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (19 children)

Many sources of protein

You think vegans just eat blocks of tofu all day? My diet has never been more varied and flavorful than when I went vegan. Every single environmental impact study says animal agriculture is a bane to our continued existence, and it goes so far beyond that. Our lands and crops are swallowed up by this ever-rotating machine of suffering and murder that affects the lives of billions of land animals every year, which die terrified and in pain. No "varied protein" myth is worth so much suffering.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world -3 points 5 days ago (13 children)

No. One of my sisters is a vegan and we have had extensive talks about it. Yea garbanzo and peanut butter are great power packed availability. But peanut butter only goes so far. Garbanzo needs a massive amount to match isolated whey or anything close.

I totally agree with the environmental impact. I wish I could have locally sourced options that wouldn't impact the environment so much.

[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Local meat is not better for the environment. Scientific information is only one click away. Look at this graph, it's impressive. Plus:

Vegan Bullshit Bingo
#11 I only eat organic and regional

While seemingly 99% of people say this about themselves, the proportion of organic meat in virtually all western countries is less than 2%. Maybe you consciously buy organic products for the big feast, but then in everyday life you go get your weekly hamburger, the restaurant around the corner, or "just this once" prefer to reach for the somewhat cheaper discount products. Moreover, in organic farming, animals suffer and die in the same way. Organic cannot solve the core problems: Murder and exploitation for pleasure. The goal is more about soothing the conscience of consumers rather than actually helping the animals.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

this is just more poore-nemecek, a paper debunked by its own citations

[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

lol, stop trolling. Nothing is real right? Animal suffering is.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 days ago

this is a science community. it's reasonable to expect people to provide good science.

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