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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago (11 children)

“I feel you are both outsiders compared to the rest of DC, and less ‘establishment’,” said one. Another, “both of you push boundaries and force growth”. And: “It’s real simple … Trump and you care for the working class.”

“You are focused on the real issues people care about. Similar to Trump populism in some ways,” said a fourth. Lastly, a respondent said: “You signaled change. Trump signified change. I’ve said lately, Trump sounds more like you.”

Utterly brilliant. Complete geniuses with a firm grasp on current politics. I see why you count these as intellectual kin.

[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 day ago (8 children)

If Democrats can’t learn the lesson here they’re going to keep failing.

These are working class people who want their everyday cost of living needs addressed. They want change. No Trump isn’t going to help them but he says he will. “Trump will fix it!”

If Trump says mass deportations will fix their problems they’re going with that option.

Democrats need to actually do the work and fix their concerns the correct way, by taxing the shit out of or locking up billionaires for a start.

Democrats saying nothing will fundamentally change is not reaching these people, and just calling them dumb and discarding them isn’t a winning strategy.

[–] BlitzoTheOisSilent@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (5 children)

and just calling them dumb and discarding them isn’t a winning strategy.

But that seems to be the SOP for Lemmy users, any criticism of the DNC, Harris, or Biden is met with "bUt TrUmP fAsCiSm," or some variation of you being a racist or fascist or whatever.

AOC sat down with her voters and asked them why they voted for her and Trump, and they gave her their honest answers.

And y'all (not you, the people you're responding to and the majority of Lemmy) immediately insult them, their intelligence, and their understanding of the world because y'all know better then them.

There were plenty of articles showing despite a good economy, Americans felt more strapped for cash and felt like they were doing worse than four years ago. That's their lived reality, and the DNC just kept doubling down on "economy good, soft landing," and then threw out the $15/hr minimum wage from a decade ago as if it would mean anything to most Americans (my state already has a minimum wage of just under $16/hr, and it's $8/hr short of what our own university said someone would need to afford a one bedroom apartment). So no working class person would have benefitted from that in my state, but the DNC and liberals act like we should be gobbling their nuts because they were so progressive for even briefly mentioning it.

I said right after the election (and was repeatedly attacked and downvoted for it) that the American people want change. And if it's not going to be progress, they'll roll the dice on regress. But something has to change, and for better or worse, Trump promises that while the DNC can barely be bothered to maintain the status quo.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago

I think your point is well made, and this thread is demonstrative of the entire point I was making to PugJesus.

PugJesus is the definition of incurious when it comes to understanding why their rhetorical approach failed.

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