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Bernie Sanders: We Need More Working-Class Candidates to Challenge Both Parties
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Then people need to abandon the DNC and form another option. Reform from within is fantasy, the current power structure will never allow anything that's a threat to their existence
How do you plan to avoid the problem of abandoning the DNC causing Republicans, who are worse than Democrats, from gaining unmitigated power while said other party is gaining momentum?
Republicans are only worse in their rhetoric. They will openly declare their intent, then do it. Democrats omit the declaring part.
Protecting the status quo prolongs everyone's suffering
Only one of the two major parties helped ensure that a good friend of mine had legal access to lifesaving healthcare recently, and it wasn't Republicans. Pretending one party isn't worse isn't productive. How are you going to approach the spoiler effect, or do you simply not care about all the death and suffering that will result from strategy that doesn't tackle the spoiler effect?
The spoiler is running right wing candidates posing as liberal. Both times the DNC has done that we got trump.
Words have meanings. If you don't want to answer the question because you're embarrassed of the fact that you care for political purity over the lives of others, that's on you.
They're just here to cosplay as revolutionaries. They don't give a fuck about the people who actually suffer under these regimes.
The only thing that is embarrassing is liberals thinking their candidates are progressive
Nice non sequitur. Thanks for confirming what I wrote.
Republicans are demonstrably worse than Democrats. Neither care about the poor, but one of them actively tries to kill queer folk, many of whom are good friends of mine, so fuck those Republican assholes.
The Democrat assholes at least aren't directly targeting the people I care about, it's just collateral.
Democrats kill them via social murder, which is a direct act of violence against all marginalized communities. Liberals claim they support trans using the restroom of choice, but don't care if they live on the streets to make that decision.
Republicans kill them directly
There's an option for no murder
Yeah, me getting to use the bathroom is just a rhetorical distraction in the end.
Go back to your hole, .ml troll
They care nothing about you
That already has happened. What else you have to lose
Right now I live in a state with a Democratic governor, a Democratic state senate, and a Democratic majority on the state supreme court. And these three things are preventing major catastrophes here. So no, this has not already happened, and what I have to lose here is quite literally my life.
Then you have nothing to worry about, you've got yours, moving on then
If the Republican party regains power in my state, my life is in danger. Even if I were so selfish as to only care about having "got mine," that non-sequitur would still be irrelevant.
"you can't blame the voter! The DNC is at fault for not changing"
-- literally any 3rd party lemming after the election
"Then people need to abandon the DNC and form another option."
-- literally any 3rd party lemming after the election
so which is it? can we blame the voters or can't we?
If the voters are too apathetic to what the DNC is offering, the thought of abandoning them for something that is much more popular isn't a contradictory prospect. Having an enthusiasm problem so big that trump was able to be elected twice kinda points to the fact that people want something else.
Only if it helps to the narrative, if not, no