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And? Does this mean he is immune to criticism because he's not Trump? This is a pretty big fuckup, even if it's an accident.
According to the Dem leadership, campaign strategists, and every "Blue No Matter Who" automaton?
Yes. That's exactly what everything means. About both him and his politically identical VP.
It just means we didn't want orange Hitler act 2. Ds aren't good but they're objectively better than any R. I do what I want in the primary then what I must in the general. If you can't get behind that well... here's 2025 hope one of y'all can shelter me when the new gestapo comes around.
No, that part is self evident. Everyone sane and not the victim of intense brainwashing agrees on that.
Where we differ is your false framing.
To pretend that you either support one side unconditionally and never criticize ANYTHING about it no matter what or you're on the other side is absolute lunacy. That or deliberate gaslighting.
Again with that stupid false dichotomy strawman combo 🤦
Arrogance and obstinate refusal to listen like that from the Dem leadership and obsequious serfs like you is how the fascists won.
Ah the part where you pretend screaming GeNoCiDe for a year and pretended Trump being worse was irrelevant had no effect on elections. I'm sure that of the record number who stayed home, none did it because of the GeNoCiDe frauds.
Yeah, because being at all critical about active complicity in the worst crimes against humanity possible is the same as advocating for fascism! 🤦
Yet another strawman. I did no such thing at any point.
And I'm equally sure that nobody stayed home because even the lesser evil refused to listen to the vast majority of the people they're supposed to represent. That's not at ALL something that could suppress voter participation! 🙄
You got what you wanted. Democrats lost.
No, that's the exact opposite of what I wanted, which I have made clear from the start.
Please either at least TRY to argue in good faith or stop arguing at all.
Says the moral "GeNoCiDe" warrior
It's called marketing. There's a time and a place for criticism, a close race between bad and worse is not that time, online leftist spaces are not that place. Every leftist voter who chooses to abstain contributes to the fascists' margin.
The difference is that you don't control the DNC's strategy, you do control your actions.
The only reason why the two overlapped at all was because the ones aiding and abetting genocide have been refusing to even acknowledge any wrongdoing for over a year!
A blindingly obvious example of this "not listening to their base" problem I mentioned.
Where else would you suggest?
Far right places like Truth social where everyone will agree for the wrong reasons, wrongly thinking that it's about making sure that Trump wins?
"Centrist" places where everyone will automatically disagree, wrongly thinking that it's about making sure that Trump wins?
Just admit that there's no time and no place where you would actually take constructive criticism from the left seriously and pretending that there is is a pretense for making people sit down and shut up.
Again with the classics bootlicker role reversal.
It's the job of politicians to earn the confidence and thus the votes of the people.
It's NOT the job of the people to meekly go along with politicians with ethically and morally compromised politicians with bad ideas unquestioningly, even IF they're still the least bad option.
The politicians failed the people, not the other way around.
The irony of telling the that I'm only allowed to voice dissent at specific times and places where it would be ignored and then saying I'm in control 🤦
Newsflash: the people is SUPPOSED to control the DNC's strategy! They're public servants paid through public means to enact the will of the people FFS! That's literally what they're there for!
What's supposed to happen and what happens are two extremely different things. Only fools make plans based on what's supposed to happen. The rest of us plan our actions based on the flawed reality we live in.
You're "allowed" to do whatever you want. I'm just telling you it's counterproductive. You are allowed to be counterproductive, it's just a stupid thing to do.
Such as insisting on doing a bunch of reprehensible things that your base hates while you're running for public office?
It's amazing how you keep holding the meaningful actions of the most powerful people in the most powerful country in the world to a much lower standard of responsibility than me, a regular poor person, expressing a reasonable opinion.
Do you REALLY not see how ass-backwards that is??
Yes, exactly! That is a counterproductive action. And I levy my criticisms regarding that action to the actors themselves, in my direct communication to them.
Two things can be true: it is in the best interest of the DNC to more effectively court their base, and it is in the best interest of leftists for the lesser evil of the duopoly to win until we can break the duopoly.
That's why my correspondence with my representatives is focused entirely on their failings, and my correspondence with other voters is focused entirely on their virtues.
I hold them responsible for their actions, and I hold you responsible for yours. It's not that my standard for them is lower, my standard for them is irrelevant to the actions of others.
You have a direct line of communication with the president and vice president of the United States? That's impressive, but I don't. Hence the need to express my critiques to peers in stead.
Yes, but I have at no point argued that the lesser evil shouldn't win.
That's what you keep refusing to understand: I want them to change their actions both because the actions are themselves atrocious AND because I wanted them to win and those actions were causing them to lose.
First of all, I still don't have a direct line of communications to the white house. Second of all, I guarantee that, if I had, my complaints and warnings would not be heeded. Like those you pretend to have made were.
Well that's just obsequious serf bullshit. Pretending in public that "your team" is always perfect and can do no wrong doesn't convince anyone. It just makes you a bootlicker whose perspective only fellow bootlickers will relate to.
No you fucking don't! You claim that you have a private line where you get to discuss all your concerns with the White House, but we both know that that's bullshit.
You may leave a message for your congressperson and/or senator to ignore, but that's it. That's the extent of your options for expressing dissent ay we both know that won't stop the support for genocide any more than me voicing my displeasure in a public forum. If anything, it's LESS effective, as public dissent is much harder to ignore.
My actions of checks notes making my opinion on committing the most heinous crimes against humanity and (correctly, it unfortunately turned out) warning that continuing to ignore the people could cost the election and lead to the fascists taking over
Ooh, such transgression! Ever heard of the first amendment to the US constitution? It has a few sentences specifically about this kind of thing.
That would normally make sense, but in the specific case of arguing that it's wrong to ever criticize the Biden administration in public, that's absolute counterfactual nonsense.
Be better and demand better from the people supposed to represent you, please.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
That doesn't make any sense. "I didn't have a wrench so I used a hammer instead". Those aren't interchangeable, they don't do the same thing. You can't accomplish the task you're attempting with the tool you're using.
You can't scream genocide and begrudgingly whisper lesser evil and expect that outcome.
Again, yes you do. And if you don't think expressing your grievances directly to them will help, how exactly does telling everyone else your grievances do anything? If those voters aren't directly expressing their grievances en masse, how do the people you're trying to convince hear your message?
When I contact my representative directly, they are informed of my complaints, and what to do to improve. Voicing your displeasure in a public forum gives them no information, unless the users of that public forum contact their representatives directly. If you don't actually organize your dissent, it is extremely easy to ignore.
Again, you have the freedom to be counterproductive. It's not forbidden, it's just stupid.
I do that. Be better at directing your actions to accomplish your goal. Stop banging on bolts with a hammer.
Communicating your displeasure on, say, Israeli policy, does nothing unless you can also replace the millions and millions of AIPAC campaign contributions.
A fair assessment, nonetheless it is still more effective than communicating displeasure to the wrong audience. Not much more effective, but definitively so.
This is true. I used it as an answer to fundraising calls and texts. :) "No, as long as you're taking AIPAC dollars, you don't need mine."
Direct communication to people associated with DNC strategy, a noble and effective action.
This getting downvoted can only be explained by emotional fragility
I feel the need to say I completely agree with you. Normally when people quote me I think they are arguing with me idk.
fistbump
Edit: Tell me why you are downvoting me, you cowards!
That's usually the case here, yeah 🤷 Glad to be the exception today, though 😁
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Not really.
Yes, really. That's how they lost to the most unqualified, dishonest, and mentally unhinged presidential candidate in modern history. Twice.
Sure, that's what it is, because people said we should vote for Biden instead of hold him to a high standard while ignoring Trump acting like neo-Hitler.
Again with the false dichotomy: it is in fact possible to vote for someone without holding them blameless no matter what they do or don't do.
You're not just allowed but REQUIRED to hold the ones meant to represent you to a high standard if you want anything to improve.
"Anything better than Trump is good enough" is not how you end up with people accurately representing the will of the people or even PRETENDING to.
LMAO and yet you started this thread ranting about how if someone ever pushed back on you, it means they are fully intolerant of ANY criticism of ANY Democrat, ever.
Nope, sure didn't. That's just you projecting.
I can explain it for you, and I have, but I can't understand it for you. Have the day you deserve.
All anyone has to do is scroll up to be reminded. You claimed your "enemy" is entirely incapable of nuance and in the way you did so, proved you aren't.
Thanks for the weird threat to my day tho?
I was employing obvious hyperbole to make a point. That you chose to take it literally in spite of that in order to build yet another strawman is on you.
Wishes aren't threats. If I was powerful enough to wish things into existence, Trump would never have become president and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Now go bother someone else with your bad faith nonsense.
Have the exact day that karma has in store for you 😍
Thanks, I will now that I'm hopefully done with your nonsense for the day.