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I hear these suck. No battery life and bad cooling.
They have their shortcomings but it's all worth it to have pro-sumer hardware, in my opinion. I just can't bear to give my money to consumer-hostile companies anymore.
True, that’s why I mostly buy used. I can’t see myself buying any electronic new except for important main computer or server parts
Buying used is not as bad but still supports the resale value of consumer-hostile devices, which indirectly supports their new value.
I buy from a local electronic recycler, I highly doubt there is any downside from them saving stuff from being thrown away
They wouldn't save it from being thrown away if people like you weren't buying them.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say its bad, just that buying from consumer-friendly companies as new is still better, in my opinion.
They literally take apart the electronics and recycle all the valuable parts. Why’re you arguing with me over something you don’t understand?
I understand completely and I'm not arguing with you.
I don't know if this was true at some point, but this is definitely a false statement today.
I have a Framework 16 w/o dGPU and it is perfect. It has long battery life, awesome performance, and has no thermal issues at all. Then there's all the features which I don't think I need to get into here. But I will call out support for lvfs/fwupdmgr; it's great and in line with what I have seen with Dell and Lenovo.
This is my forever laptop
Good to know!
There's plenty of cooling capability. This thing has two fans that can get to sounding like a jet engine if it gets that hot. And it's ventilated enough that it actually cools it down.
If anything, it's loud as hell under heavy load, but cooling isn't a problem either.
So in short, they do not suck so much as blow?
If it's loud as hell, doesn't that mean cooling IS a problem? You shouldn't need twin jet engines to cool a laptop.
Under heavy load. If you saturate any CPU and GPU, you're going to have it heat up quickly, and depending on your cooling profile, your fans will ramp up.
What the noise actually says is that the fans make noise, and the laptop body doesn't do much to dull the noise.
Cooling efficiency IS a thing...
No, that means it's loud as hell. I'd only consider cooling a problem once thermal throttling comes into play.
Mine is awesome
Battery life was shit at the start, but now it's pretty reasonable. Can't tell for sure what the difference is. I'm just starting to investigate again, after all the pre Christmas stress is over
I use mine almost entirely plugged in (with the 80% battery limiter on in the BIOS)... Any idea if I'm killing the battery life by doing this?
Doing pretty much exactly the same thing, to not wear the battery down
As far as I know having them permanently on 100% is bad