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Uber was supposed to help traffic. It didn’t. Robotaxis will be even worse (www.sfchronicle.com)
submitted 1 year ago by FlyingSquid@lemmy.world to c/fuckcars@lemmy.world
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Our research was technically right, but we had not taken into account changes in human behavior. Cars are more convenient and comfortable than walking, buses and subways — and that is why they are so popular. Make them even cheaper through ride-sharing and people are coaxed away from those other forms of transit.

This dynamic became clear in the data a few years later: On average, ride-hailing trips generated far more traffic and 69% more carbon dioxide than the trips they displaced.

We were proud of our contribution to ride-sharing but dismayed to see the results of a 2018 study that found that Uber Pool was so cheap it increased overall city travel: For every mile of personal driving it removed, it added 2.6 miles of people who otherwise would have taken another mode of transportation.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Of course Uber wouldn't help traffic.

Robotaxis? Probably not. But autonomous vehicles that can communicate and drive as a group? Yes that will help. Then induced demand and all that, but it will increase capacity.

[–] Aidinthel@reddthat.com 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

autonomous vehicles that can communicate and drive as a group

Is it time to reinvent the train again already?

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, but wireless. And I think you mean horse.

[–] Tvkan@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago

We've seen time and time again that increased capacity doesn't actually help traffic.

Capacity just isn't the issue.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Robust public transportation will help a lot more. But go ahead and argue with the MIT scientists who wrote this article if you like. Their research seems to show you're wrong.

[–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

He literally agrees that they won’t magically help with traffic, what’re you talking about?