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[–] ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 72 points 5 months ago (36 children)

I really hope Proton 10 will have some sort of Wayland support, even if it would be hidden behind an environmental variable

[–] INeedMana@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (21 children)

I really hope Proton would stop running a container. It makes running additional programs harder (opentrack for example) and our computers less ours

[–] patatahooligan@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (12 children)

No way. Containers are absolutely necessary to provide reliability across a wide range of distros and to keep games working in the future.

It makes running additional programs harder (opentrack for example)

Then we need better tooling and documentation to interact with the container, not to get rid of them. I don't see any technical limitation that would prevent your use case. It's just not implemented or maybe simply undocumented.

our computers less ours

How so? The end result is probably the opposite. Without the containers Steam would be less reliable on unsupported distros, which might mean your only choice would be to use Ubuntu LTS. That would be a much bigger loss of control.

[–] arc@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

That's more or less it. Linux Torvalds hates the different package managers and dependencies in different dists and versions of dists. He claims it's virtually impossible to ship products that just run on some random dist and cites his own sideproject which is a sea diving app where he builds binaries for Mac OSX and Windows but can't for Linux. He also praises Valve for using containers.

In theory it means slightly larger binaries, but the flipside it means Steam for Linux runs on a lot more dists, and so do the games and it's far easier to test they actually run.

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