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Summary

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez criticized Elon Musk after he made a gesture during Trump’s inauguration resembling a Nazi salute.

Musk and his allies dismissed the comparison, calling such accusations exaggerated.

Ocasio-Cortez, however, called the gesture unacceptable, emphasizing America’s history of opposing Nazis and the Confederacy.

She also condemned the Anti-Defamation League for defending Musk, accusing it of losing credibility.

Her comments sparked broader debate on symbols, gestures, and their implications amid Trump’s return to office.

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[–] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 day ago (15 children)

Assuming you're American, you do understand the irony of America taking in the most nazi elite and scientists for their own personal projects right? Also if you read mein kampf you'll find it fascinating how much he was inspired by American legalised racism and ethnic cleanings. America is a nation built like how Israel was, through ideological and legalized genocide, racism, fascism and racism. I'm starting to comprehend how the soviet did the real nazi killing and suffered the real consequences of the Nazis unlike America.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (13 children)

WW2 was between Russians and Germans. All the other stuff was barely a side character subplot compared to the Eastern front.

For example, in the Western front the German forces dealt more casualities to US and UK troops than the Allies did to the Axis by quite a lot too. Reading stories and diaries of American troops they would remark how astonishing it is that their German POWs were all either very young, or very old, either way remarkably unfit for combat. German command in the Western front was in shambles, because the vast majority of their efforts were going to the Eastern front. More Germans died in the battle of Stalingrad alone than in the entirety of the Western front. There were sieges in the Baltics that made Omaha Beach seem like a pretty lucky bet. The Belarusian grassroots genocide by Germans is hardly talked about, yet were just as brutal as they were against jews. The Siege of Leningrad is the type of nightmare fuel, hell on earth that Spielberg would never dream of touching. The West puts so much self importance about their fight against the German Nazi Machine, meanwhile it was the communists who did all the work while Western capitalists profited every step of the way since the beginning. And as you pointed out, America had and still has a strong Nazi following, also curiously backed by billionaires.

Now the collective West is the new Nazi party, and like it or not it's up to Russia and China to stop them again.

EDIT - Just wanted to point out that a lot of the horrors of the Eastern front is equally blamed on Stalin too, Baltic people hate Germany and Russia the same for WW2. Every side of WW2 sucked horrendous ass, and nobody won in WW2 (except for capitalists)

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 23 hours ago (12 children)

Now the collective West is the new Nazi party, and like it or not it’s up to Russia and China to stop them again.

I was expecting hexbear or .ml for this sort of claim

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Who do you think will stop them then? Are you counting on Americans to "rise up" like the average German moderate in the 1930's did?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Oh I have no idea, I was just enjoying tankiness of the statement

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I don't get it though, I don't even read Marx. The fact that it was Russia and China who stopped fascists last time, and might have to do it again because the West is doing the opposite of stopping fascism, how is that Marxist? It's literally what happened.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

You have no idea how "Now the collective West is the new Nazi party, and like it or not it’s up to Russia and China to stop them again." sounds tankie as fuck?

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

No, I don't talk to tankies I don't think. I genuinely don't understand why you'd have this reaction to a description of what's happening.

Just looked up what a "tanky" was, got mixed results, looks like classic red scare communism-phobia to me, lots of people butthurt that Russia beat the Nazis and freed the concentration camps with violence as if that was a mistake. Did it happen some other way then? And all that stuff about Russia and Stalingrad and Berlin is just tankie propaganda? Please.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It sounds like something tankies say because that's what tankies say. It's not much deeper than that lol

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Ok so it's something tankies say, why is that a problem? If they said the sky was blue would you say everyone who thinks the sky is blue is a tankie?

EDIT - Just to add, you know who else reacted negatively to communists? You know why the Nazis targetted jews? Or is the irony of using "tankie" as a pejorative and being a fascist lost on you?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I didn't say it was a problem though?

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Why point it out? In admiration?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I was surprised it didn't come from hexbear or .ml

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Guess not. Maybe people other than your so called "tankies" can see the writing on the walls.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 16 hours ago

Sometimes people outside of a group might end up sounding like a certain group, yeah

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