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I mean, we all hear about people thinking what they think only because the people around them think it too. So how do you avoid doing that?

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[โ€“] SteposVenzny@beehaw.org 1 points 1 day ago

To a degree it's just reflexive, a knee-jerk reaction to being told things without proper explanation. I struggled with that since I was very young. People told me what to do, what to think, how to feel, and I tried to obey but the stress of that obedience in the face of reason would always eventually end in meltdowns and by the time I was a teenager I was so worn down from that that I could barely function as a human being.

I was within a few years of twenty (pretty bad with dates) when the world showed me I had permission to think independently. There was a perceived familial obligation that I was too hurt to weather, an invitation to visit a relative that I found annoying. You're told that you're supposed to love your family, all of it, no matter how physically and emotionally detached they are from your life. But the act of trying to love a stranger that you can't stand the company of and who cannot stand your company in turn, themselves only really trying out of this same sense of obligation that society pushes on them, there's nothing in that but stress for all involved. And then you feel like a failure as a result, because you stressed them out and you're supposed to be making them happy. It was a very small thing being asked of me and something I had always capable of weathering on previous occasions but this time I was too weak from the rest of life and, shamefully, I politely declined. I was kicking myself for the next hour, until somebody actually close to me caught me alone for a moment and praised that show of strength.

In my mind, she had always been stronger than me because she was better able to meet expectations. In that moment I learned that, in her mind, she was weak because she was unable to stand up for her own mental health needs and that I had just surpassed her by doing this. That realization changed my life. I let go of this obedience that my bones had always told me was wrong. Other people wanting something doesn't mean I have to want it, other people feeling something doesn't mean I have to feel it, other people doing something doesn't mean I have to do it. Success at attempting all those things is exactly the same amount of suffering as failure, the very same action is both strong and weak. There's no winning that game. Neither of us felt what we were supposed to feel and neither of us would be happy in the other's shoes.

Society tells you that disobedience is arrogance, selfishness, but I'm a better person that I was before it. It made me more humble because I no longer felt that I was supposed to be right, now I want to be right and that means learning where I'm wrong. It made me more generous because I no longer felt that I was supposed to be good, now I want to be helpful because helping people feels good to do. It made me happier because I no longer felt that I was supposed to be happy, and now any instances of unhappiness don't cause me the shame that negates future happiness. And it made me more tolerant because, fuck, I'm not about to start enforcing arbitrary standards on people when arbitrary standards caused me so much harm in the first place.

Now that there's not an internal struggle against prescriptive conformity in the way, I'm freer than I ever was to do most of the same things everyone wanted me to do in the first place while also being able to set boundaries about those few things I know would be harmful to do.

It's not at all frictionless to think for yourself, mind. People can be frustrated when you ask more justification of them than others do. If they're doing what they're told is right, saying what they're told is right, believing what they're told is right, it can feel threatening to ask them how any or all of that is right when, deep down, all they're doing is playing their assigned role because they never had your epiphany. And the boundaries you set can also be at odds with the genuinely felt desires of those you care about because sometimes peoples' desires are simply incompatible.

But that friction is nothing next to the cumulative psychic weight of total obedience. Mutual somewhat-grudging acceptance of each others' limits is better than any one person's permanent unhappiness.


In terms of actionable advice: follow your logic, follow your feelings, follow observable reality. Recognize it as a red flag when people discourage you from that, and recognize the importance of hearing out people who are talking through their own logic and feelings and observations and scrutinizing each other.