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    Clarification: Just making fun of people(including myself) who watch shitty videos instead of official documentation.

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    [–] thezeesystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 100 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    Man pages are for people who already know a lot about Linux and understand all the nuances and understanding of Linux

    Even after using Linux for many many years I still don't understand wtf nearly all man pages mean. It's like a fucking codex. It needs to be simplified but not to the extreme where it doesn't give you information you need to understand it.

    Tbh that's most of Linux, not designed for average people, designed by Linux users who think that all others should know everything about Linux.

    [–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)
    [–] joytoy@discuss.online 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    I’d like to add apropos to this as well.

    [–] Caboose12000@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

    my favorite is tealdeer!

    [–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 day ago

    Tbh a lot of man pages don't even give you enough usage information to make full use of a package. I'm thinking of the ones which are like an extended --help block

    [–] wols@lemm.ee 16 points 1 day ago

    They also usually assume a lot about the users' knowledge of the domain of the program itself.

    In my experience, many programs' man/help is very brief, often a sentence or less per command/flag, with 2 or more terms that don't mean anything to the uninitiated. Also, even when I think I know all the words, the descriptions are not nearly precise enough to confidently infer what exactly the program is going to do.
    Disclaimers for potentially dangerous/irreversible actions are also often lacking.

    Which is why I almost always look for an article that explains a command using examples, instead of trying to divine what the manual authors had in mind.

    [–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

    l must be using man pages very differently from you. To me they are mostly the easy reference to check the available flags for a command, and sometimes the reference on available config file entries, e.g. ssh_config(5)

    For those things I was using them quite soon when I started using Linux, because it's quicker than googleing every time if you just need one flag or one option name. For more complex things, like tar-and-gzip in one which needs like four, I still google though.

    Probably there are very complicated ones too, the ones explaining subsystems or APIs of the kernel, but those I don't need as a user.

    [–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 5 points 1 day ago

    I don't get it either. I can see how you're getting confused if you end up in section 2 or 3 of the manpages or with the kernel calls. But that's not what a beginner is looking for. The manpages for the user commands are pretty alright. Sometimes even excellent.

    [–] InstallGentoo@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

    It depends on who writes them, I guess. More "modern" software come with pretty good and concise manpages, meanwhile stuff like the coreutils still have manpages that feel like an incomprehensible mess.