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The election was three months ago. These constant attempts to relitigate it are just an attempt by the right to divide the left.
The truth is there is blame on both sides. Those who stayed home hold some responsibility, and the Biden admin is also to blame for shunning their own base.
But now we have bigger fish to fry. There's a constitutional crisis on, and a united front is needed against the right. Fuck the dividers. When someone tries to divide the left, call them out on it or downvote them to hell. They're either a conservative or a Russian troll.
The right didn’t need help to divide the left this election. The left did it itself. The American left splintered into toxic little sub groups who all hated each other, saw each other as unworthy allies and called each other fascists for being even slightly right or even left of each other. Meanwhile the right was unified and laughing at the left who so easily felll for the right’s manufactured war
Yeah. There were a lot of people saying they wouldn't vote for Biden or Harris due to one issue, even though Trump wouldn't be an improvement on that one issue they wouldn't vote for Biden on.
Now they're angry that Democrats have very little power to resist Trump.
There were even more people blaming any criticism of the DNC as an act to support Trump, so go ahead and continue fracturing your support base even after losing the election. I'm sure that'll help you fight against fascism.
Well, Trump won, didn't he?
And?
Second most of the responsibility, actually (actual Trump voters take the most responsibility). They screwed up, and now we're all paying the price.
Also true. If Trump voters and non-voters realize that they screwed up badly and want to work to fix it, then we need to accept their apology, forgive them, and let them stand with the rest of civilized humanity in countering Trump, Must, and their goons.
I'm talking specifically about the left side of the aisle. And there were two sides to blame. The centrist Dems and the myopic Palestine folks were playing chicken with each other, seeing who would blink first. Neither blinked, and they rammed head first into each other. If a game of chicken results in a collision, both sides are to blame.
You do understand that it is possible for both parties in a conflict to be equally at fault, do you not? The Palestine supporters had a very good point - the Dems were fucking stupid for supporting Israel the way they did. And the Dems had a very good point - myopic Palestine supporters were fucking stupid for focusing on that as the only issue that matters. They both had a point, and they were both fucking stupid.
I totally would. I have yet to hear one.
They're still holding on to their moral superiority, which is all they cared about to begin with.
They will never realize this. They think game theory isn't real and voting 3rd party means they're better than Dems even though they enabled trump. It's the worst virtue signaling possible. Gaza will pay the price for their hubris.
Hey, what's the most famous example of game theory, and what's the correct move to play if your fellow prisoner is saying they'll betray you? How would you rate the strategy of the player announcing they'll betray?
You trot out the term like you've unlocked some higher level enlightened objectivity that the unwashed (minority immigrant) masses have failed to comprehend, but then fail to actually apply even the most well known thought exercise. It's not a synonym for rational thinking or having good foresight. It's about how multiple actors make choices. For some reason your "game theory" philosophy seems to not consider the candidate as a participant.
Eh.
I'm not ready to forgive the utterly ignorant fools who abstained from voting or voted 3rd party and helped put us in the situation we're in.
They do not deserve to be forgiven. Especially this fast. I like accountability.
You have two guilty parties on the left side of the aisle:
Get your head out of your ass. It is possible for both parties to be at fault. They were both playing chicken, and if either had blinked, the outcome may have been different. If two drivers are playing chicken, driving towards each other at high speed, and they end up colliding? You don't try to argue who was to blame. You say, "you're both fucking stupid" and divide the legal liability equally.
Would you prefer they lied about stopping support for Israel to win the election and then went back on the promise? Because there's no reality in which the U.S. jeopardizes its most valuable ally in the Middle East. And changing up your stance on international politics to win elections every 4 years is how you end up with no allies. Both Harris and Biden repeatedly expressed disapproval of what our ally was doing. That's the best we were going to get. And that's way better than where we find ourselves now.
It is. That's why I voted for the best option for my own country AND for Palestinians.
The left is divided already. In the ways these folks voluntarily decided to do. It's not now that others are pointing it out that the divisions are occurring. How much more gentle do others need to be around the ones who made this mistake? How much more hand holding?
The Left isn't divided, it's unrepresented.
The Democrats are a conservative capitalist party, which might be better than a fascist party but it's still right-wing.