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[–] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, racially exclusive associations are gross. Same with events that exclude attendance based on sex/gender. We are all people.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Same with events that exclude attendance based on sex/gender.

There's a time and a place.

For example, a "women's only" group may be for a group of women who are healing from a sexually violent relationship, so they really don't want to see men there.

But a parent and child group that excludes races? That just a gross kind of bigotry.

[–] HerbalGamer@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I get what you're saying, but bear in mind that women can be both in relationships with other women and those can also be violent.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Of course, there is nuance, but I was giving an example based on what I know exists and why.

[–] Gigan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

they really don’t want to see men there.

That's just sexism though

[–] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

For example, a “women’s only” group may be for a group of women who are healing from a sexually violent relationship, so they really don’t want to see men there.

"Maybe that whites-only parenting group could be healing from some trauma caused by POC and they don't really want to see POC there."

Do you see the problem? A POC causing you trauma is not a good reason to reject POC people in general, and a man causing you trauma isn't a good reason to reject men in general either.

A group dedicated to victims of domestic violence could easily encompass both men and women who have suffered from it, whether the perpetrators were men or women. Cis & trans, it bears saying.

A person who has a blanket phobia of people of a particular gender or ethnicity needs therapy to address their sexism/racism. "I don't feel safe around men" has the exact same energy as "I don't feel safe around black people".

[–] villasv@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“I don’t feel safe around men” has the exact same energy as “I don’t feel safe around black people”.

lol how to identify a dude on the Internet

[–] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

lol how to identify a dude on the Internet

Is that the best argument you can put forth against what I'm saying? I can give you some more ammunition: I'm queer, disabled, atheist, an immigrant and vote green. Or perhaps those are collectives that you don't feel comfortable discriminating openly.

[–] villasv@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

That was not an argument, don't know why you'd think it is one.

I just found it amusing

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The women’s only group isn’t necessary

All SA victims are valid regardless of gender

[–] Neato@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

ITT: a bunch of replies to the above from men who don't get what the problem is.

Big "not all men" energy. =/