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Firefox maker Mozilla deleted a promise to never sell its users' personal data and is trying to assure worried users that its approach to privacy hasn't fundamentally changed. Until recently, a Firefox FAQ promised that the browser maker never has and never will sell its users' personal data. An archived version from January 30 says:

Does Firefox sell your personal data?

Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That's a promise.

That promise is removed from the current version. There's also a notable change in a data privacy FAQ that used to say, "Mozilla doesn't sell data about you, and we don't buy data about you."

The data privacy FAQ now explains that Mozilla is no longer making blanket promises about not selling data because some legal jurisdictions define "sale" in a very broad way:

Mozilla doesn't sell data about you (in the way that most people think about "selling data"), and we don't buy data about you. Since we strive for transparency, and the LEGAL definition of "sale of data" is extremely broad in some places, we've had to step back from making the definitive statements you know and love. We still put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share with our partners (which we need to do to make Firefox commercially viable) is stripped of any identifying information, or shared only in the aggregate, or is put through our privacy preserving technologies (like OHTTP).

Mozilla didn't say which legal jurisdictions have these broad definitions.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 26 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

So .... what is the leading alternative browser then?

One of the reasons Firefox became so popular was that it was an alternative.

Now that they're drifting towards something we don't like ... what is the new alternative?

[–] remington@beehaw.org 15 points 17 hours ago (3 children)
[–] ded@lemy.lol 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Librewolf is mostly a autoconfig file for Firefox (which is a Firefox feature). https://codeberg.org/librewolf/settings/raw/branch/master/librewolf.cfg I doubt implementation of terms will be optional.

[–] remington@beehaw.org 2 points 14 hours ago
[–] isosphere@beehaw.org 14 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Librewolf has some trouble with some websites. For example, it won't load one of my own that makes a GRPC request over TLS, stating that the certificate issuer is unknown despite it being the same certificate used on the accepted-as-secure page the request is made from.

[–] remington@beehaw.org 9 points 17 hours ago

Hey! Thanks for the heads up. This looks good and I'm going to try it out.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 8 points 17 hours ago

...which is Gecko, which is Mozilla.

[–] isosphere@beehaw.org 12 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

I’m trying https://zen-browser.app/ now. It’s an open source fork of Firefox. The UI is much changed: vertical tabs and workspaces. It was a bit of a shock, but it’s growing on me.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

...which is Gecko, which is Mozilla.

[–] rfr_Foglia@feddit.it 10 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Shouldn't the Zen team be able to avoid sending data to Mozilla considering that FireFox is open-source and they can change the code?

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Really depends on where and how the data collection is integrated.

Browser forks mostly make changes to the application UI which wraps the engine, not to the engine itself. Browser engines are these fantastically complex things, extremely difficult to keep operational and secure, which is why there aren't many of them and why they're all developed by large organizations. Forking the engine is basically doomed to failure for a small project because you won't be able to keep up, you'll be out of date in a month and drastically insecure in a year.

This is basically all there is.

[–] rfr_Foglia@feddit.it 2 points 16 hours ago

Very good point, hold they won't implement this telemetry deep in the engine.

[–] termus@beehaw.org 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] isosphere@beehaw.org 8 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It's still Firefox, so it's the same. I installed uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger, no different there.

[–] termus@beehaw.org 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Awesome, appreciate the information!

Edit. Got it set up and configured. So far I'm liking it a lot.

[–] isosphere@beehaw.org 2 points 15 hours ago

Same, workspaces are great!

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 12 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Welp, back to NCSA Mosaic I guess. We never needed CSS and JS anyway, those were a huge mistake.

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 5 points 17 hours ago

Heck, we should go back all the way to lynx!