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[–] LotrOrc@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You do if you want to steal said car and then turn around and tell everyone that it was actually yours to begin with

We know its a lie. He knows it's a lie. Probably even the idiots who vote for him know its a lie. But if you say a lie enough times and people don't tell you to fuck off, it becomes the truth.

The same way that people are taught that the american civil war was fought for states rights, not slavery, when we know that most of the states seceded because of slavery

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world -1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

No because it that situation you still did the thing, here he's just playing about prosperity gospel shit where of you just believe it'll happen.

It doesn't though, that only works on very specific things that aren't as easily disproven by something like the existence of an entire country.

No one is taught that in school, parents say that shit.

[–] LotrOrc@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Man Palestine was an entire country up until 1947 and now you find people.saying that it never existed and was always Israeli land.

These lies do work, and they are used as justification after the fact. Again, very similar to how Putin also said Ukraine wasn't really a country and was part of Russia.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Well no. Mandatory Palestine which specifically was not a country... Wasn't a country.

It's an effective lie because it includes hints of truth.

[–] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 hours ago

But it is literally the truth. Even Mandatory Palestine wasn't "Palestine" as in "Free Palestine!" More importantly it's irrelevant to Canadian sovereignty.

Honest question, although I don't expect an answer, more food for thought. Should Canada invest more into our domestic defence industry? How picky should we be about who we sell weapons to? How about who we do business with? I think the answers will vary based upon how seriously you take Trump's "jokes" about annexation, and there is certainly going to be lots of disagreement, but this is something we all should consider.

Another more pertinent consideration, how important is a politician's commitment to Canadian sovereignty? I've been reflecting on this since Doug Ford won the Ontario election again, and contrasting him to Pierre Poilievre. I don't know what your political preferences are, but would you consider Canadian sovereignty more important than say, education? What compromises and how much sacrifice is acceptable for continued sovereignty?

I'm sorry if I come across as aggressive, but Canada is getting knocked down a step on the metaphorical Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs for Nations. Certainly I support more trade with the EU and our CANZUK brothers. But what about China? I support Taiwan's continued existence as whatever it is, but should we deepen trade ties with China if it helps support Canadian sovereignty? If so, how much?

It's still early days, but we have to get our heads in the game. Again I don't know your political inclinations, but I'm pretty sure for me, if you support Canadian sovereignty, than right now we're allies no matter what else. For me there are limits on my questions above, but I don't know where they are, they're pretty far out. I'll row on the left or right side of the boat, I don't care so much right now so long as we are all rowing together.