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During the negotiations with the Cardassians on the Enterprise Riker loudly exclaimes “the Federation will not start a war.” Oh please, the Federation have started almost every war we know they’ve had. Especially the Dominion War.

Burnham started the Klingon war and Starfleet started the Dominion war.

Focusing on the Doninion War, Starfleet discovers a stable wormhole to the Gamma Quadrant and starts exploring it. Fine, fair enough.

However in 2371 the Dominion warns Starfleet to stay on their side of the galaxy, stop planting colonies and stop violating Dominion territory. Again, fair enough.

After all would the Fedetation allow the Romulans to explore Federation space freely? Of course they wouldn’t. But the Federation expects to explore the territory of others freely because Starfleet believes they have a RIGHT to explore the galaxy and if that means crossing borders then so be it.

The Federation then gets all pissy when the Dominion sees them as such a threat they ally themselves with Cardassians to establish a permanent presence in the Alpha Quadrant. All this happens outside of Federation space so they have no rights to interfere as per the Prime Directive.

But do they leave the Cardassians to run their civilisation as they see fit? Of course not. They mine the wormhole which starts the war.

So as far as the Dominion War goes, the Federation were the clear aggressors. And let’s not get into the attempted genocide of the Founders.

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[–] Stormy1701@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The Dominion must have recognised that the attack wasn’t ordered by the Cardassian government or they wouldn’t have accepted them into the Dominion.

But again. If they had all stayed in the Alpha Quadrant as warned there wouldn’t have been as issue.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

But again. If they had all stayed in the Alpha Quadrant as warned there wouldn’t have been as issue.

For now. We see that the founders see all solid life as a danger to their existence, but we also see that they have a very long view of things. The furthest afield we see with the Federation sticking to the Alpha Quadrant is "The Visitor" and that's barely the length of one humans lifetime. We also know they prefer to use infiltration and guile to weaken their enemies before taking any direct action. Most direct aggression from them can be seen either as what they perceive to be a last resort or after they know they have overwhelming odds.

There's no guarantee that if the Federation "just stayed on their side" that the Dominion would have left them alone forever and ever.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Season 4 Episode 1 and 2 (I haven’t gotten any further yet) was about how the Founders infiltrated the Cardassian government and staged a coup against Central Command.

[–] stargazingpenguin@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I believe you're right. It was either Improbable Cause or The Die is Cast (season 3) where the Founder that took the place of the Tal Shiar agent (Tovak or Lovok I think) told Odo that while it was Tain's plan to attack them, the Founder infiltrators did everything they could to make it happen. Then in the episode you mention they explain more about it.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Spoilers from here on out! I don't think tags work universally, but I'll try my best.

spoilerIt was actually the founders infiltrating the Klingon Empire, getting them to act aggressively against the Cardassians to sow dissension amongst the Alpha Quadrant entities. As far as we know the coup against the Central Command was legitimate. We see lots of rumblings about resistance movements against Central Command for a while before this.

[–] stargazingpenguin@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Spoilers - Season 3+ DS9Ah, for some reason I was thinking they had infiltrators in all of the major Alpha Quadrant powers by that point. I must have been mixing it in with what the Romulan changeling said. I really should reference Memory Alpha at times rather than relying entirely on my memory!

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

SameIt's entirely possible they do, it was just never explicitly shown. We just know the Klingons use that as an excuse to annex Cardassian territory, and we know (from season four finale/five start) that the Klingon leadership has been infiltrated by changelings. We also know that the new civilian government leaders are blood-tested by Starfleet when they're saved from Cardassia Prime.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Keep watching :)