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[–] MooseyMoose@lemmy.world 40 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Property damage is not violence against civilians.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website -3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

What if I blew up a water tower?

Or burned down every grocery store in the city? (At night, while no-one was there to get hurt)

[–] mako@lemmy.today 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Who is the intended audience of that comment that you believe will equate sources of food and water to swasticars?

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website -2 points 56 minutes ago (1 children)

He didn't say "swasticars." He said "property." Property damage can absolutely be violence against civilians.

My audience would be anyone tempted to think that planting a burning cross in the yard of a black family does not count as violence against civilians, because it's just property damage.

[–] mako@lemmy.today 3 points 16 minutes ago* (last edited 14 minutes ago)

Hahahaha, you went and one-upped your own stupid comment. Yes, clearly any rational person sees vandalizing swasticars to be just as evil as destroying essential infrastructure for human survival or terrorizing innocent people with racial hatred that has historically let to their murders.

You're a fucking idiot cosplaying as an iNTelLecTuAl.

You're also blocked because you're a waste of everyone's time.

[–] MooseyMoose@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Then your act of vandalism/sabotage would have effects that harms people. Is this so difficult for you to understand? SMH.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website -3 points 45 minutes ago

It's quite easy to understand. But you said "Property damage is not violence against civilians."

Clearly property damage can be violence against civilians.

[–] red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Anything that's not the state is civilian. That includes civilian property. And I, too, cheer on violence against the oppressive class.

[–] MooseyMoose@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I don't consider property destruction "violence". Violence for me can only occur if there is a nervous system involved. Defining it otherwise seems a bit disingenuous, imo. Vandalism is not the same as an act against a person or animal.

[–] red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

If I break into your home and trash the place, it's not violence? You should speak to people who experienced that. Granted, this is between real people and not corporations. And there is a line, somewhere, between vandalism and destruction where it turns to violence. It's compIicated. I just completely disagree with the statement that destruction of property is never violence.

[–] MooseyMoose@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

They try to make it equivalent so they can classify people who smash windows in protest as "violent criminals" in order to increase the penalties which is a complete mischaracterization. If the act of vandalism has knock on effects then those are separate from the act itself and should be dealt with separately.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 12 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Property is not people though.

Otherwise shorting companies would also be terrorism.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 0 points 56 minutes ago

Only if you're shorting them to further a political goal.