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I don’t know both sides to this debate. Do you disagree? If so, what do you think? Tbh it sounds pretty reasonable to focus on rehabilitation instead of punishment, is the difference mainly focused on terminology differences?
I think that punishment is a deterrent for bad behavior and it's sad such a thing even needs to be discussed.
The only reason there is a discussion is because of people who would routinely get taken advantage of by the criminals they advocate for.
Well, that and all the scientific research that shows definitively that punishment isnt a successful deterrent for criminal behavior.
Can you link it?
Lol, I don't think you know what you're talking about.
Let's see this "definitive" research. You probably think any study is "definitive." Lol.
Multiple examples have been linked in the thread already, and even more come up on a simple google search of the topic.
But you and I both know that you dont care about the sources, why even ask? We both know youve already decided that hurting people works, no amount of science or fact is going to shake you of that.
Real professionals have been working on this for decades, and you hand wave that away as "victims getting taken advantage of by criminals."
You dont care about the facts. You have some personal grudge about this. Why not be honest?
Lol, okay.
So convincing.
I'm curious what you are specifically referring to. You're the one who brought up scientific studies. Link to them. Are you saying you just read what was in this thread and that's what you're citing? Okay. Link to the specific studies you're talking about.
I'm not interested in what other people are referring to. I'm interested in what you, the guy bringing up studies, is referring to.
You say they're "definitive." Show me a definitive study. Go on. Go ahead. Don't make me comb through and assume what you're talking about. Stick your neck out and own it.
Youre a faceless stranger, not the TA reading my dissertation. You have already been shown a few sources. I know you know how to use a search engine. You clearly dont want to be convinced. Why would I google anything for you?
Youre hyper focusing on a word because you think that no matter what study I find, you can try to pull a "well technichallllllly" on one version of the words definition, because you think no social science can show definitive results. The gotcha attempt is more see through than glass.
Detail why I would put work into something I know you wont read just so you can misinterpret a single word in bad faith to avoid having to confront the reality that punishment isnt a real deterrent?
It would be more productive if you come clean about what happened to you that makes this emotional for you. Family in and out of the system? Or a partner? Who or what hurt you so bad you feel the desire to punish strangers?
Lol, okay. I'm trying to see what you, specifically, are referring to. But I guess that's too much to ask.
Have a nice day.
I already told you what I was referring to. You can lie if you like, no skin off my back.