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Statistics Canada confirmed last week that 351,679 babies were born in 2022 — the lowest number of live births since 345,044 births were recorded in 2005.

The disparity is all the more notable given that Canada had just 32 million people in 2005, as compared to the 40 million it counted by the end of 2022. In 2005, it was already at historic lows for Canada to have a fertility rate of 1.57 births per woman. But given the 2022 figures, that fertility rate has now sunk to 1.33.

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Of Canadians in their 20s, Statistics Canada found that 38 per cent of them “did not believe they could afford to have a child in the next three years” — with about that same number (32 per cent) saying they doubted they’d be able to find “suitable housing” in which to care for a baby.

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A January survey by the Angus Reid Group asked women to list the ideal size of their family against its actual size, and concluded that the average Canadian woman reached the end of their childbearing years with 0.5 fewer children than they would have wanted

“In Canada, unlike many other countries, fertility rates and desires rise with income: richer Canadians have more children,” it read.

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[–] nueonetwo@lemmy.ca 59 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I would love to pump some baby batter into my gf and start having a kids, can't do that while we're stuck living paycheque to paycheque on a combined 130k in my parents basement.

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sorry but how are you living paycheck to paycheck with that income and little to no rent?

[–] nueonetwo@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Without writing out my whole life story: student loans, unexpected vehicle issues (public transit isn't an option where I live), out of pocket medical costs not covered by benefits or gov't, long commutes with expensive gas and no feasible alternatives and few job opportunities closer to home in my field. Can't afford to move due to high rents so I'm stuck driving.

There's more but I'm hungry and wanna eat dinner and don't feel like going into it. We save everything that isn't essential and barely go out for fun, anything extra goes towards a down payment but the way things are going right not it doesn't look like we'll be able to buy for years unless we can put away like 2k a month.

[–] DiscussionBear@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know what province youre in but also the skyrocketing cost of food and groceries.

What I got a couple years ago with $100 doesn't buy shit now a days.

Fuck our government both federal and provincial, and all parties. Fuck every politician that sits in parliament collecting a pretty 6 figure paycheque and watching their real-estate asset appreciate as Canadians get perpetually fucked over time and time again.

[–] nueonetwo@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Yup that too.

My partner got food poisoning a few years ago and kicked her food intolerances up a level where even trace amounts now wreck her so we've had to go to the dairy free route which is expensive and very limiting. Her doctor recently told her to try cutting gluten so now I have to relearn how to shop and cook to accommodate that which adds more to the bill. She's essentially a gluten free vegan who eats meat.

[–] Powerpoint@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

When people say pay cheque to pay cheque in this type of situation they're still putting money away into savings typically but are out of reach of where they need to be. There's usually large debts, medical costs or other financial burdens that aren't mentioned like maybe taking care of a family member. Their pay cheque to pay cheque situation is a bit different than someone working minimum wage and will be out on the streets as they still have money going into some sort of savings

[–] Mkengine@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How bad is housing in Canada right now? This is not a prominent topic here in Europe, so let's say you look for a 200 m² house in the outer parts of a bigger city, what would be the price for that?

[–] CyanFen@lemmy.one 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The issue is that investors are buying houses 100k over asking price same or next day because they don't plan on living in them, they just want to make the investment and prop up the housing market bubble for as long as they can.

[–] Powerpoint@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Speculators need to be heavily taxed. We need to discourage this and put a stop to it ASAP.

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I bought a townhouse that was 1700sqft (~150m^2) in Markharm, a suburb of the GTA (1hr to the center of toronto by car, 1.5hrs by bus), in a pretty bad area for 800K CAD during a slight market crash during covid. By all accounts this was an exceptionally good deal, by realtor didn't think we could get anything for under 900. I sold that townhouse for 1.1 mil in 2023.

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You technically can, but she has to be on the pill.

[–] nueonetwo@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

She does have an iud so I could before, but her Dr put her on medication for her rheumatoid arthritis last year that causes birth defects so at the moment we gotta double up. Even if that wasn't the case, still couldn't afford to have a kid right now.

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oof, well, no love baby juices for her.

Unless there was another hole where it could be injected 🤔

[–] nueonetwo@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago
[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

It’s wild to consider that $130k combined income can’t even get you on the lowest rung of the housing ladder.

Now consider that the average wage - half of all people make less - is only $48k in Canada.

[–] bananaw@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I hate the beginning of this comment