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You think the 90M people that couldn’t be bothered to vote against fascism are going to take to the streets and fight?
It doesn't take 90M people to blow up a pipeline.
Electoral voting is useless and built to disenfranchise and demotivate people participating from politics. Doing direct action immediately improves your life and builds mutual aid networks. So yes.
It’s useless, yet it’s exactly why we have a fascist dictator? That’s tautological.
You would get a fascist dictator regardless. That has always been the inevitable path of liberal electoral politics under capitalism.
Ah, defeatism. It’s going to happen anyway, so why bother doing anything about it. Great outlook.
They stated a fact, that not defeatism. WTF is with people getting mad at the messenger all the time
The message that voting would’ve done nothing to stop Trump from being elected is nonsensical.
Not what they said at all
They always attack as soon as they get lost. Instead of asking questions and perhaps learning new opinions it's much easier to just call names.
It’s quite tragic too, I would hate to deny myself knowledge just to satisfy my ego. We’d be in a much better place if people wouldn’t double down and would just learn from the experience
They aren't saying do nothing, they're saying do something more useful than voting.
And I’m saying not voting is how we got fascism. There were 13M more people that did nothing, than all 77M people who voted for Trump. I don’t expect them to fight unless personally attacked.
That leaves the ~78M people that collectively voted against Trump. Then remove the sick, disabled, elderly, government, military, and police. We’re not getting anywhere with force unless we can engage the 90M people who couldn’t be inconvenienced to put pen to paper to stop fascism.
Oh, are you under the impression that there's a group of liberals (as in liberalism in general) out there that doesn't coddle and appease and enable fascism that I could vote for? Because Democrats are putting up the most token of resistance at best, and meanwhile voting in support of the right's shenanigans in congress. Schumer voted for the budget, 4 others voted just the other day for a bill that would effectively disenfranchise millions of women, etc.
If you walk into a voting booth and find someone holding a bomb who insists that your only choice for how to deal with it is to choose between a long fuse or a short one, the only sane thing to do is to say 'Good luck with that' and leave before you get caught in the blast radius. I voted blue for 30 years and it didn't get me less fascism, why do you imagine it would suddenly start working today? The fascism is coming from inside the house.
Why don't you run yourself?
I’m saying that Harris was not a fascist dictator. Simple as.
No, she probably wouldn't have been. But hey, if you're comfortable cuddling up with that bomb because it has a longer fuse then by all means don't let me stop you, just don't act all surprised when it inevitably blows up anyway.
So you’re an accelerationist. Gotcha. The problem with accelerating into fascism is that not enough people have been made aware of their oppression along the way. This is far more likely to result in a lasting dictatorship than the revolution from a longer fuse.
What I am is not complicit with the motherfuckers who are blowing people up; the only solution to the trolley problem is to walk away, because the minute you put your hand on that lever—whether you pull it or not—you become at least partly responsible for every single death on those tracks. You can call that whatever helps you sleep at night.
Don't put words in my mouth. I suggest the opposite of "doing nothing". Voting is doing nothing every 4 years and expecting things to improve in the face of 100 years of evidence to the contrary.
I insist that you’re incorrect, based on the simple fact that 77M people voted for a fascist dictator and now we have a fascist dictator. Clearly voting does something, or we wouldn’t have a fascist dictator for president.
Kinda ignores the reality that the past 3 election cycles have been fascist vs. a party that positions itself as progressive "not fascists." You'd think that, you know. The "not fascists" would've done something to prevent the fascists from gaining power.
Instead, they endorsed international colonialism and genocide and spent 4 years fighting back against workers' rights.
Electoral liberalism trends towards the right over time. As a rule. Because capitalist interests are always further to the right, and electoral liberalism is based on capitalism and the existence of a capitalist ruling class. Any ideology that permits the existence of capitalism must include very strong limits on capitalist enterprise and absolute bans on capital political power and influence. Or, by default, it becomes more fascist over time. Anti-capitalism is the only ideology congruent with antifascism.
Yes, electoral politics inevitably and eventually "does" fascism.
Can you point to a single US election where the half the country that never votes magically showed up to vote?
If not maybe don't rely on a group of people that will never participate.