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[–] mild_deviation@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

These devices probably cause < .1% of fatal pedestrian accidents

Percentage is meaningless without context. The stat you're actually looking for is pedestrian deaths per mile. And it's probably quite bad for these vehicles because they explicitly commingle with pedestrians.

Cars don't spend very much time on parts of roads that have pedestrians on them, and when they do, there's signage or traffic lights to help. Cars also have lights to help drivers see pedestrians and help pedestrians see cars, and generally make a lot of noise. You get none of these benefits with personal motorized vehicles. (Well ok, a scooter probably comes with some lights, but they're probably also small and shitty and unregulated, so they don't really count...)

[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

While we're wildly speculating I'm going to guess that most e-scooter crashes are caused by a car running them over.

I don't get the comingling thing. Where I live they're on the bike lanes. Is that uncommon?

[–] SmoothIsFast@citizensgaming.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not everywhere has bike lanes and then they are on the sidewalk, not to mention most laws allow them to be on the sidewalk or bike lane if they exist.

[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Hm, well, that's an infrastructure problem. I definitely think they should be in the bike lane.

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