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[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Fuck conservatives. They don't need to be educated, they need to be beaten. There are more people left of center than right, we just need to prove we're actually going to fight for them. All of them. Not 80% and then we'll start to strategize on how many "urban" voters we can lose to pick up white suburbanite conservatives.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

They don’t need to be educated, they need to be beaten.

You cannot educate someone who refuses to learn, especially those who reject reason and knowledge. They support fascists because they worship force. They will continue laying waste to everything around them until their murderous shitshow is comprehensively defeated. Throwing sweet reason at them won't achieve that.

That's why I get impatient with those who suggest that the way forward is to tinker with the voting system, or to amend the Constitution some more, or to educate the populace. The fascists are at war with us right now. We need to pick our collective ass up off the ground and resist by any means necessary and stop pretending that the system is going to save us, or (like the DNC) that Trump will eventually piss off enough people that the Democrats can win another election, despite all the rigging and voter suppression.

This is an existential situation, the building's on fire, now's not the time to be talking about redecorating.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Just to drive this point home for the quiet listeners at the back of the house, I’ve had very long conversations with conservatives (I’m in a red area) who actually get more distrustful the more you relate to them. I’ve been told to my face that nobody cared that much about other people, and I was clearly only pretending to in order to make them listen to me. That it was obvious, because nobody cares that much. That empathy can only be manipulative, and is never real.

It took me years to understand this isn’t a contradiction, but that since they can’t imagine caring that much, I must be fake.

My whole outlook changed once I realised that. It’s insane, but many people literally can’t envision caring, and they think you’re fake and just want recognition for doing so.

Several of these surveys take on a different meaning once you realise there are fundamentally different perspectives like this.

e: and this is one of the biggest divides with conservatives. Simple word choice will not bridge this gap.