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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 21 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

When a casual acquaintance asks my political leaning, I say Democrat to keep things simple. But, really, I'm a Bernie guy. I don't want to talk politics, and trying to explain that Democrats are actually center-right is just too much effort to put into... well, just about everyone nowadays.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 5 points 13 hours ago

Why don't you just say progressive then seems to sum it up

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 25 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Okay, but Sanders isn’t on the left, either, despite calling himself a socialist. Sanders will say that It’s OK to Be Angry About Capitalism, and he’ll complain about “crony” capitalism and “über” capitalism, but as a liberal he’ll never question capitalism as such. He’ll never question private ownership of the means of production.

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Socialism != Communism though

It's okay to say you're a socialist but too not like communism.

I for one really like socialist policies like national healthcare which I get in the UK etc. But I don't think full communism is the way to go for a modern society. Plus the track record of every time a country tries to head towards full communism, the door is left wide open for a dictator, and someone takes it.

[–] MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of differences between socialism and communism.

Modes of production aside, socialism is just the transition period between capitalism and communism but does not have fundamentally different goals from communism. The goal of socialism is to reach communism. The differentiation is just a matter of how far society has progressed in that transition and their modes of production. Socialists are communists. Any differentiation outside of the above context is colloquial or otherwise a result of the uninformed misusing the terms as you have.

Nationalized healthcare in the UK != Socialism and != a socialist policy, it is a social/welfare program. Social/welfare programs are agnostic of modes of production, which is why they can exist in both socialist and capitalist economies.

Please refer to the socialism entry on Prolewiki as well as the modes of production link I added above. This is one of the most commonly confused things about socialism and communism. If you really want to say you don't like the idea of communism, you should at least be informed about what it is you don't like and don't think applies to our modern society. These are short articles that collectively take <5 minutes to read through.

What you are advocating for is social democracy.

[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

MrScottyTay cannot see your comment becuaee shit.just.works has defederated from lemmygrad.

[–] m532@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 7 hours ago

Uk is monarchist, not socialist

[–] Tetragrade@leminal.space 0 points 7 hours ago

Because he's a politician and he understands that his rhetoric has to ramp up slowly to convince his audience. Go to your local pub/bar and say that to someone that isn't a terminally online ML, see how they react.