this post was submitted on 03 May 2025
132 points (94.6% liked)

Today I Learned

21804 readers
71 users here now

What did you learn today? Share it with us!

We learn something new every day. This is a community dedicated to informing each other and helping to spread knowledge.

The rules for posting and commenting, besides the rules defined here for lemmy.world, are as follows:

Rules (interactive)


Rule 1- All posts must begin with TIL. Linking to a source of info is optional, but highly recommended as it helps to spark discussion.

** Posts must be about an actual fact that you have learned, but it doesn't matter if you learned it today. See Rule 6 for all exceptions.**



Rule 2- Your post subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material.

Your post subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material. You will be warned first, banned second.



Rule 3- Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here.

Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here. Breaking this rule will not get you or your post removed, but it will put you at risk, and possibly in danger.



Rule 4- No self promotion or upvote-farming of any kind.

That's it.



Rule 5- No baiting or sealioning or promoting an agenda.

Posts and comments which, instead of being of an innocuous nature, are specifically intended (based on reports and in the opinion of our crack moderation team) to bait users into ideological wars on charged political topics will be removed and the authors warned - or banned - depending on severity.



Rule 6- Regarding non-TIL posts.

Provided it is about the community itself, you may post non-TIL posts using the [META] tag on your post title.



Rule 7- You can't harass or disturb other members.

If you vocally harass or discriminate against any individual member, you will be removed.

Likewise, if you are a member, sympathiser or a resemblant of a movement that is known to largely hate, mock, discriminate against, and/or want to take lives of a group of people, and you were provably vocal about your hate, then you will be banned on sight.

For further explanation, clarification and feedback about this rule, you may follow this link.



Rule 8- All comments should try to stay relevant to their parent content.



Rule 9- Reposts from other platforms are not allowed.

Let everyone have their own content.



Rule 10- Majority of bots aren't allowed to participate here.

Unless included in our Whitelist for Bots, your bot will not be allowed to participate in this community. To have your bot whitelisted, please contact the moderators for a short review.



Partnered Communities

You can view our partnered communities list by following this link. To partner with our community and be included, you are free to message the moderators or comment on a pinned post.

Community Moderation

For inquiry on becoming a moderator of this community, you may comment on the pinned post of the time, or simply shoot a message to the current moderators.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

I was watching "Sir Mix-A-Lot - Baby Got Back (Official Music Video)", and one line is "A lot of simps won't like this song", and I didn't know that the word was so old!

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Like saying this country was founded on freedom, when in reality it was founded on the suffering of an absolute fuck ton of black slaves.

[–] thirtyfold8625@thebrainbin.org 13 points 1 week ago

Things started earlier than that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dnp7lOObjU&t=3119s&list=PLG1NADbefbENzGtVrh_bh-W6sfSWfopqS

So I'm English. I'm poor, rich, middle; who cares? It doesn't matter. I get on a ship. I come to Virginia. If I'm free, they will deed me 40 acres of land (40 acres of land they don't own). There's a Native American family that owns it. I now have the deed to 40 acres of land that somebody else is using, that is farming. Because, right, we have this double think 1984 thing in our head: the Native Americans didn't know how to farm, Europeans did; the pilgrims arrive, they don't know how to farm, so Squanto finds them starving to death; he goes up to them he's like "dude, what's happening, why aren't you growing food" and they're like "we don't know how" so Squanto shows them how to do Agriculture, and you may have been in a play about this, and he's, like, planting fish in the ground to fix the nitrogen into the soil, and at the same time you hold these two contradictory beliefs: first that the Native Americans couldn't Farm because they're too dumb, and then second that the Native Americans taught the pilgrims how to farm, and it doesn't occur to you that they can't both be true! Anyway, turns out Squanto really did teach the dumb pilgrims how to farm because they were too stupid to grow their own food and were starving to death! So I walk out into Virginia; I got my blunderbuss. I'm walking out, and I see the family of Native Americans farming that land that's mine, and I take a shot at them. They hear the bang, they run, they fight; doesn't matter. The land will be mine; I will take it from them. There's a crop already in the field, which is great cuz then come harvest time I'm already set, and then I just continue to farm the land. Is that amazing? All I need to do is get across the Atlantic; the rest is free (well, except for the ammo). In other words, at some level, the colonial settler project that the British unleash in what will become the United States of America was a wealth transfer scheme. There is no greater asset on the planet than real estate, right? Not Bitcoin, not stamps, not coins, not gold—it's land! Land you can grow food, land you can build a house, land you can build a factory, land you can find gold, land you can find coal, you can find oil. Land, land, land, land! So to go from having none to suddenly having some with really nothing put into it other than you just happen to be English, and you had to commit a little act of violence, that's a remarkable, like, leap! That's a remarkable jump. But then, we added a layer to it. Tobacco is labor intensive. In other words, yeah, I can grow tobacco as a single person not farming, but I'm putting in a lot of hours. Now it turns out tobacco, at the time at least (I don't know if it's still true), the tobacco seed was worth more than its weight in gold, so this is going to make me a lot of money, but if I'm a single farmer out there doing this, it's not really going to make me a lot of money fast. It's better than growing yams, it's better than growing wheat, it's better than raising chickens for sure, but it's hard. As soon as I have enough money, what I'll do is I'll put in for a mail-order bride; once she comes over, she becomes part of my labor team. Now I'm producing even more tobacco, and then she'll incubate my next generation of labor; by the time it's 8 or 10 years old, I'll probably be able to get some work out of my children, and then once I have enough money, I'll buy a mule or ox or a horse or something, and then once I have enough money, I'll bring over an indentured servant, three, five year, seven-year contract. I have a conflict of interest with my indentured servant. In three, five, or seven years they're going to get their freedom; I have to give them a gift as I let them go. They have every incentive not to work hard for the time they're working for me, but I want to squeeze every ounce of labor out of them, so it's kind of a violent event, and eventually they just start to run away (becomes a nuisance), but once we've developed the level of sophistication that we can support this, we start bringing over slaves (which is almost right away; it did not take long before we're bringing over slaves).

[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Don't forget the suffering and genocide of the Native American population as well.

But yeah. Black people basically invented American culture as a whole. Hell, other than electronic music, I can't think of any music genre in the past 150 years that black people did not create.

[–] Geetnerd@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

What pisses me off is that most people don't realize that 90% of the natives of both of the Americas were dead from the smallpox that the Spaniards brought there before the Puritans landed at Plymouth Rock. There was a large native civilization on the Mississippi before then that traded with the Maya and Aztecs.

When you read about all the battles with ancient Greeks and Romans and Persians, there were reports of tens of thousands of combatants. In the battles in the North American West with the natives, there were rarely more than hundreds. I think think Custer's Last Stand had the most, less than 2,000 natives.

[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I was specifically referring to the smallpox, actually. Native Americans did not have viral infections, so they did not know how to fight it. I believe the Azteks came up with antibiotics at this point already, as bacterial disease was common.

Also the Trail of Tears, but that was later.

[–] lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Native Americans did not have viral infections

Uhh, citation needed lol. Certainly they did not have smallpox, but do you really think virii didn't exist in the Americas?

[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

No, but viral infections spread most effectively from human to human, and Native Americans (with some exceptions) did not form large cities.

Stuff like STDs probably existed, for instance, and those are viral infections for the most part, but STDs do not spread nearly as well as something like smallpox does.

The big difference here is that smallpox can be transmitted through airbourne droplets from coughing or sneezing, or through physical contact. I am not saying it was intentional by the Europeans (I couldn't find much evidence for the smallpox blankets existing), but it was very effective in eradicating the Native American population.

[–] Geetnerd@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

Everything you wrote is nonsense at best, and conspiracy level rewriting of history at worst.