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[โ€“] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (45 children)

I hope they kill off VBA too. I still see some teams in banks implementing Monte Carlo simulators or PDE solvers in straight VBA ๐Ÿคข

[โ€“] Dave@lemmy.nz 100 points 1 year ago (28 children)

I have seen critical enterprise applications run in VBA in excel. Removing VBA would cause global economic ruin. I'm pretty sure that's the unspoken backstory for the Fallout series.

[โ€“] OldFartPhil@lemm.ee 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Another confirmation here. At my previous job, I was they guy who built Access databases and wrote VBA code. While not ideal, it was a very small business (less than 10 employees) and it was fit for purpose.

When I got a new job at a company with almost 3,000 employees, I was like, "Finally, I'll be working somewhere that has proper IT resources." Ha! I soon find out that my department runs critical business infrastructure with Excel macros. And we have a proper IT department.

As everyone has already said, if IT resources are in short supply (or the wait is too long, or building projects with IT support is a PITA), then people will build systems with the tools they have at hand. And that's often MS Office.

[โ€“] Melkath@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Also remember, strictly speaking, IT is not software development. IT is networking and hardware management.

Software development (and scoff all you want, but VBS/VBA are programming languages/frameworks used to develop software applications) is its own separate beast.

They MAY report to the CIO. They could also report to the COO. Fuck, software development/process automation/business intelligence can have a director reporting directly to the CEO.

In general, software development and information technology are not the same and don't reside in the same chain of command.

[โ€“] HumbertTetere@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago

Strictly speaking, information technology encompasses software dev as a subfield. Practically, a large software development at a company has very different needs and strategic goals than what people usually understand as the "IT guys" so what you mentioned. So they are set up accordingly in an organisation.

[โ€“] aev@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago

With some of my smaller clients, the CIO is the same as the CTO and the same as the IT Director. There, IT is developers, too.

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