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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/29824159

Bernie Sanders May 08, 2025

[based on speech given to US Senate]

"Thursday marks 68 days and counting since ANY humanitarian aid was allowed into Gaza. For more than nine weeks, Israel has blocked all supplies: no food, no water, no medicine, and no fuel.

Hundreds of truckloads of lifesaving supplies are waiting to enter Gaza, sitting just across the border, but are denied entry by Israeli authorities.

... Defense Minister Israel Katz said, “Israel’s policy is clear: No humanitarian aid will enter Gaza, and blocking this aid is one of the main pressure levers.” "

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[–] blakenong@lemmings.world -4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I’d be happy to talk about China—and everyone else—not helping the Muslim genocide.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I'd like to talk about the people who actively assist netanyahu with his genocide, since that's what the thread is about.

You only brought up China as a distraction until I started talking about the genocide they were directly involved in. Then for some reason you don't want to talk about them. Then again, you made it clear that you have no problem with genocidal China, just people to your left on the internet.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world -2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

They aren’t to my left. They call themselves left, but that’s only lip service.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Ok. So anyone who is upset about the US' complicity in the genocide in Gaza but doesn't talk about China instead must be a tankie and therefore to your right?

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world -3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

If that’s the take you want to have for the purpose of arguing online, I can’t stop you. I understand you can only see in black and white.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

If you have a better summary of your position, go right ahead.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world -4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

If I thought you actually wanted to talk to me, and not just get your kicks, then I would love to elaborate on how I think the entire world is complicit. But you’ve made it very clear that conversation can’t happen without personal attacks. Your time is better spent elsewhere.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

If I thought you actually wanted to talk to me, and not just get your kicks, then I would love to elaborate on how I think the entire world is complicit.

Your elaboration would just be more deflection away from how the US is selling weapons for genocide. Though I have to say, it might be easier to oppose genocide in other countries, since some of them have at least one major political party that isn't all about genocide.

Your time is better spent elsewhere.

Agreed. Genocide apologists are a waste of time and effort.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world -3 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I point at a cow and you say it’s a duck.

Have a lovely day.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I point at a cow and you say it’s a duck.

As long as you're pointing away from what you don't want to talk about.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world -4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

As I said before I’m willing to have a discussion, but you’re not willing to have a discussion. You’re not here to find people who you can criticize to make yourself feel good. If you’re trying to make me feel bad, it’s not working at all

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The US is selling weapons to netanyahu for genocide. You come into a thread about how the US is selling weapons to netanyahu for genocide and try to divert to anything other than how the US is selling weapons to netanyahu for genocide.

There are other threads where you can talk about how much you hate ml. For talking about how the US is selling weapons to netanyahu for genocide.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world -4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Only the last 20% of the article mentions weapons.

My comments are about providing aid.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

My comments are about providing aid.

Your comments are pro-netanyahu apologia whataboutism and absolutely nothing else.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world -4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Those are words that I have not said, and opinions I do not have. But you simply want to blame the US for everything, and anyone who gestures at how the whole world is attacking the Muslims must be some kind of apologist or whatever other words you think of to shut down the conversation.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

But you simply want to blame the US for everything

I blame the US for their actions in a thread about their actions. How nefarious of me.

and anyone who gestures at how the whole world is attacking the Muslims

Whole world ain't selling them weapons. I want my country to stop selling weapons to netanyahu for genocide. You want everyone to look the other way.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world -4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I don’t want them to look away. I want them to see the bigger picture. Israel will get weapons regardless of the US. The entire world is attacking the Muslims. But you don’t want to talk about that. You just want to focus on the US, because you’re American and can’t think about anything else.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Israel will get weapons regardless of the US.

Congratulations. I don't want my country to be actively supplying a genocide anymore. You want lookoverthere!

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world -4 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

You don’t care about Gaza or genocide, you just don’t want to have a hand in it. Other than that, not your problem. So American.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

@Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world has been a consistent and unconditional ally of Palestine, quit coping

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world -1 points 8 hours ago

Palestine yes, Muslim genocide no.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

You don’t care about Gaza or genocide, you just don’t want to have a hand in it.

I mean, other countries are sovereign and I'm only a citizen of this one. I have even less influence over other countries than I do here. And no, unlike you, I don't want to have a hand in genocide. I get that you don't like that because that's just all you are.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world -4 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I can tell when I’ve won a conversation by how many words a person tries to put into my mouth.

I do not want manufacturing or selling of weapons.

I do not want a Muslim genocide.

Feel free to not listen to what other people say, like a typical American.

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I can tell when I’ve won a conversation by how many words a person tries to put into my mouth.

ROFLMAO. You did exactly that for me. Look mates, I "won" a conversation! What kind of numpty tries to win conversations? An absolute broomstick, this one.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world -2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

You (in response to another Lemming): I point at a cow and you say it’s a duck. Have a lovely day.

Me (1st comment here): More like you pointed in a random direction without clearly stating what you're doing then grew upset when someone asked you what you're about.

You (fabricating my alleged disagreement, i.e., "putting words in my mouth"): You can read it like that because you just disagree with my opinion. But if it makes you feel better I don’t care about yours.

Check and mate. As the "winner" of this conversation, I await my crown.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 0 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

You said I did that to you. I’m waiting for that quote.

Or… are you saying you agree with me?

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

I literally just quoted it. Big ol' block of text there. You can verify, I pulled it from your post history. I do agree with you, never disagreed.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I’m sorry. Just so we are sure to be on the same page, you agree with:

  1. ML doesn’t care about Gaza, or genocide, they use it as a tool to destroy the west while allowing Muslim genocide when it cannot condemn the US.

  2. There is more Muslim genocide going on than just Gaza.

  3. While the US is certainly complicit by selling weapons and not saying a damn thing, there are many other countries doing the same thing and should be equally shamed for allowing… and encouraging Muslim genocide.

  4. [optional] most people on lemmy only care about genocide when it condemns the US.

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
  1. I don't think ML is a monolith so I can't feel secure in saying every person there feels as such, but there's certainly a sizable presence there that seems to fit that criterion.
  2. Ja
  3. 100%
  4. I'm not sure if it's most people but there's again a sizable presence that seems quite loud at times. I expect this is often the US fraction of the population based on posting times.
[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Well, I completely misread you. Probably because I’m taking it from many sides on this one, and I’m in defense mode. Please accept my apology.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I do not want manufacturing or selling of weapons.

You keep trying to distract from a country that is selling weapons to netanyahu for genocide. In a thread about that country's complicity. Declare victory some more.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world -4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I’m literally saying I don’t want the manufacturing or selling of weapons.

And yet somehow you think I am ok with the manufacturing and selling of weapons.

Cow, duck.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I’m literally saying I don’t want the manufacturing or selling of weapons.

By whom? For whom? Let's see if you can even admit that netanyahu is committing genocide.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world -3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The US should not be manufacturing and selling weapons. Especially to Israel, given that they are using them for genocide.

Germany, UK, India, still sell Israel weapons and are complicit in genocide.

India has recently escalated their attacks on Pakistan, who is like 95% Muslim. As you mentioned, China is also participating in a global Muslim genocide.

Do you recognize the global genocide of Muslims?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Do you recognize the global genocide of Muslims?

Why wouldn't I?

As you mentioned, China is also participating in a global Muslim genocide.

As you mentioned, you have no problem with china or their genocide. Just ml.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world -4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yes or no, do you believe there is a global Muslim genocide or do you not?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Already answered that question. You just keep deflecting.

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

Before you continue engaging, I suggest having a look at their comment history, unless you're just enjoying taking the piss out of them. Our lad's primary mode of communication is deflection.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world -3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You did not say yes or no. You said why wouldn’t you? And I can think of a number of reasons why you might not but I don’t know you… So I’m going to give you the opportunity to answer that question to be very clear with your opinions so I do not put words in your mouth.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You did not say yes or no.

And you didn't say verbatim that netanyahu was committing genocide. So until you say that netanyahu is committing genocide, don't talk to me.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 10 minutes ago* (last edited 9 minutes ago) (1 children)

Who is? What is he doing? You can't say that netanyahu is committing genocide, can you? My answer wasn't enough for you. If you want me to dance, you dance first.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 1 points 8 minutes ago (1 children)

Netanyahu is committing genocide and should be put to death.

Happy? Now, your turn.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 6 minutes ago (1 children)

You dance divinely. I already answered your question and I'm not going to answer it again, lol.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 1 points 3 minutes ago

Because you can’t admit there is Muslim genocide around the world. Because that genocide doesn’t involve the US, and, proving my entire original comment correct: you don’t give a shit about genocide when it doesn’t make the US look bad.

Thanks for proving me right this entire time. You might have had me dance, but I got your number, lol

Byyyeeeee

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

More like you pointed in a random direction without clearly stating what you're doing then grew upset when someone asked you what you're about.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world -3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

You can read it like that because you just disagree with my opinion. But if it makes you feel better I don’t care about yours.

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Not caring about people's opinions is likely why you're such a poor communicator. Fabricating reasons to explain why they disagree is because you're fragile and can't handle the slightest criticism, as evidenced above and by your post history. Must be tough, having to run away all the time.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world -3 points 9 hours ago

So do you agree there is a global Muslim genocide going on?