The concentration camps were open under the DNC and expanded. Both the DNC and GOP make open use of camps like Guantanamo Bay and brutalize immigrants and foreigners, liberal media outlets like CNN obfuscate them while the DNC is in office and highlight them when the GOP is. It's how consent is manufactured. It isn't "one side" that has these camps open, both the GOP and DNC utilize them to terrorize people the US gov considers its enemies. The camps don't close down for 4-8 years between parties, they stay running and often expand under both parties.

Neither is acceptable for workers. The working class needs Socialism. Capitalism is crumbling, the US is de-industrialized because financial Imperialism was incredibly profitable, but as the US loses its influence it loses its super-profits from Imperialism. Neither bourgeois party can or will make the transition from an economy where private ownership is the principle aspect to one where public ownership is the principle aspect, so the working class must force that through organizing and overthrow.

Finally, the bit on Nazi apologia is absurdly off-base, and insulting. You are minimizing the actual and real extent the DNC has expanded and utilized the very same camps you call "gulags" simply due to ignorance or partisan loyalty to the DNC. I'm apologizing for neither party, my point is that both are unacceptable, not that "the GOP isn't as bad" as you are painting my stance to be. You should absolutely read Blackshirts and Reds.

[–] arrow74@lemm.ee -3 points 2 months ago (10 children)

Let me talk about my personal life for a bit. Maybe you've never met a worker or maybe you're too concerned about your moral high ground to take a pause and think about everyday people's lives.

My sister called me yesterday crying after Trump's "big beautiful bill" passed the house. She is deathly afraid of how she'll make ends meet without food stamps or the medicaid that pays for my niece to have Healthcare. So now she worries about being able to feed her daughter, a daughter she had no choice in whether or not to have thanks to state laws.

The idea that there is no conceivable difference is bullshit. Should two full time workers struggle so much? Absolutely not. They should be able to afford to live, and food stamps is a band aid solution. But it keeps people fed. Neither party wants to fix the cause, but only one wants to cut food stamps. Only one wants to end school lunch programs, end abortion, disenfranchise women, and we both know I can keep going.

Yes both are evil, and I'll concede Guantanamo Bay. It's sad that I was thinking about the new one in El Salvador and forgot that one. The crimes of this government is astounding.

You're not even wrong about how the working class need socialism they do. Without a doubt. That's unfortunately not coming tomorrow, and we are stuck with a binary choice. Unless of course there's an armed revolution neither of us will be starting so maybe skip the rhetoric or feel free to prove me wrong. When presented with an unsatisfactory binary choice I'll vote for the one that is less likely to cause my family to go hungry.

I agree the system is broken, and our options are limited. We can take up arms against the state, but that may not go so well. The only option that they won't execute us for is picking harm reduction at the ballot box. Not satisfactory but at least my niece gets to eat and my sister can sleep a bit easier. We can of course protest, but that has always seemed ineffective as well. I go, but especially in modern day it seems lack luster. If you have any suggestions feel free to give them. But I will always pick the choice that causes the least amount of harm while trying to figure out the path forward to something better.

[–] m532@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Labor aristocrats will always side with the empire. Its in their class interest after all, to keep the empire running, to keep stealing from the rest of the world.

[–] arrow74@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Very helpful I'll be sure to tell my sister that next time she calls me crying.

I'm starting to think the worker is low on your priority list

[–] m532@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The western worker living off imperial superprofits is indeed low on my priority list

[–] arrow74@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yes that's going to get the working class to unite. You've solved it.

I'll let you in on a secret. The wealthy will continue to exploit the entire world regardless of how many workers in their country go hungry. You're advocating for the worker to suffer for the sake of suffering

[–] m532@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 months ago

You think the wealthy can survive without their workers? If no one worked for the USA MIC, you think those bombs they use to massacre the rest of the world build themselves? Capitalists can't do shit without workers. If you want to help the global working class, sabotage your empire, and destroy it.

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