I recommend the Tian'anmen Protests Reading List. It was far more muddy than a student protest. There were workers protesting Deng's reforms, liberal students protesting the socialists system, and CIA-backed operatives sparking discontent. On the day of June 4th, riots around Beijing clashed with the PLA, while the square itself was later evacuated peacefully.
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You don't have to respond, but I'm not going to leave anti-communism hanging.
The fact that there was a famine in the 1930s in the Soviet Union is undeniable. The idea that it was deliberately steered or orchestrated by Stalin doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Once discovered that a famine was occuring, the soviets did what they could to prevent and alleviate it once it had started. The idea of an intentional famine is simply fringe among contemporary historians, same with claims of white genocide in South Africa. For example, serious bourgeois academic sources tend to say it was a failure of planning, rather than intentional and genocide. For instance, Mark Tauger wrote:
[data] indicate that the famine was real, the result of a failure of economic policy, of the 'revolution from above,' rather than of a 'successful' nationality policy against Ukrainians or other ethnic groups.
Tauger believes it was a failure of economic policy, not an intentional attack on ethnic Ukrainians. The 1930s famine was a combination of drought, flooding, and mismanagement. Further, the Kulaks, wealthy bourgeois farmers, magnified matters by killing their own crops in the midst of a famine rather than letting the Red Army collectivize them. The Politburo was also kept in the dark about how bad the famine was getting:
From: Archive of the President of the Russian Federation. Fond 3, Record Series 40, File 80, Page 58.
Excerpt from the protocol number of the meeting of the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist party (Bolsheviks) “Regarding Measures to Prevent Failure to Sow in Ukraine, March 16th, 1932.
The Political Bureau believes that shortage of seed grain in Ukraine is many times worse than what was described in comrade Kosior’s telegram; therefore, the Political Bureau recommends the Central Committee of the Communist party of Ukraine to take all measures within its reach to prevent the threat of failing to sow [field crops] in Ukraine.
Signed: Secretary of the Central Committee – J. STALIN
Letter to Joseph Stalin from Stanislaw Kosior, 1st secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine regarding the course and the perspectives of the sowing campaign in Ukraine, April 26th, 1932.
There are also isolated cases of starvation, and even whole villages [starving]; however, this is only the result of bungling on the local level, deviations [from the party line], especially in regard of kolkhozes. All rumours about “famine” in Ukraine must be unconditionally rejected. The crucial help that was provided for Ukraine will give us the opportunity to eradicate all such outbreaks [of starvation].
Letter from Joseph Stalin to Stanislaw Kosior, 1st secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine, April 26th, 1932.
Comrade Kosior!
You must read attached summaries. Judging by this information, it looks like the Soviet authority has ceased to exist in some areas of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Can this be true? Is the situation in villages in Ukraine this bad? Where are the operatives of the OGPU [Joint Main Political Directorate], what are they doing?
Could you verify this information and inform the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist party about taken measures.
Sincerely, J. Stalin
As for the idea that Stalin was a "totalitarian," that isn't an ideology. Stalin was a commited Marxist-Leninist that oversaw the world's first socialist state in its most tumultuous period. The Soviet Union was democratically run, and Stalin himself was in the position he was because of his enormous popularity. From Anna Louise Strong's This Soviet World, written in 1936:
The operation of Soviet democracy is thus so intimate, continuous and organic that the observer fresh from capitalist politics hardly recognizes it as government. Where is the debate? Who determines general policies? Can the people throw out the upper officials? Can they throw out Stalin? The Communist Party? The Soviet voter, when asked these last questions, replies in a puzzled way: “Why should we want to?” The questioner thinks he has been evaded. But all elections presuppose an existing economic system, which voting is powerless to change. Voters in America cannot change Rockefeller’s method of operating oil companies for private profit. Similarly no Soviet election raises the issue of returning public properties to private hands: this was settled by the Revolution, and forms the foundation beneath the whole government.
Barring that question, there is nothing whatever that Soviet voters cannot change. They actually do change thousands of officials at every election, and as their acquaintance with the wider problems of the country grows, the forms of democracy are being widened to include direct control of the highest officials. Stalin’s chief post is not in the government, but as general secretary of the Communist Party, which would certainly remove him if his policy and actions should ever discredit him with the people; at present he is by far the most popular man in the country. To throw out the Communist Party bodily would be to throw out all the leading and organizing elements in all factories, farms, schools and enterprises; it could clearly be done only by upheaval leading to chaos. But the citizens are constantly at work changing the very membership of the Party, any member of which may be “cleaned out” on protest of his non-Party associates that he is too dictatorial, too rough towards workers, or merely not a fit leader.[27]
That headline...
Lemmy was made by communists, it shouldn't be surprising that communists are here. Stalin was a much better leader than those that followed in the USSR. "Mass murderer" is also sensationalist, he wasn't a monstrous butcher either.
More than consumers, we are workers, and can shut society down by not working. Revolution also works.
The point is that variations exist within classes, they aren't rigid binary lines but instead a bimodal distribution.
As for removing class, by collectivizing all production and distribution. There's no such thing as a "utopia of equity and friendship," nor have socialist countries been ruled by dictators. The achievement of a classless society is one where all production and distribution is held in common through gradually appropriating property under a socialist government.
I don't see how any of what you said invalidates what I said. I'm keeping it simple because this is Lemmy, and I'm not going to type out a summary of the entirety of Marxist theory on social class without reason. Of course workers can own some capital and the petite bourgeoisie exists, this has been known for centuries, and isn't new. Complexity has increased, but that does not diminish the fact that society is generalized into capitalists and workers, even if subcategories exist.
Essentially, society has never been composed of people who only own capital and people who only sell their labor. This has also never been the Marxist position either, so you're fighting a strawman neither of us believes.
No? Classes aren't simply categories of people, they are social relations to ownership of the means of production and distribution. Socialism works, and is far more effective at meeting people's needs than capitalism.
The Statesian working class isn't politically educated or particularly organized. They do rise up, such as during the BLM protests, and the mass opposition on the ground to ICE and flock, etc, but the demands are always funneled into electoralism due to a low level of political theory and class consciousness. The primary task is to create a working class party of disciplined revolutionaries that can actually educate the rest of the working class, struggle alongside them, and in times of crisis, bring that struggle forwards to a successful revolution.
Really, what's needed is a trigger. Quantity turns into quality at certain points, but it's difficult to predict the social moment of this. I think the AI bubble crashing, the oil crisis due to the Iran War, and the continued erosure of the US on the world stage as compared with China all could push us to this revolutionary moment. That's why getting organized is the primary task right now.
As always,
Educate!
Agitate!
Organize!
No, it's a serious post. I also think Stalin was a better leader than Khrushchev, especially considering the fact that Khrushchev enabled the rise of bourgeois elements that later gained power in a counterrevolution in the 1990s. It was still socialist up until the end, but Stalin was better overall.










Wikipedia agrees with the communists on that part:
It's important that we take study of allegations like this seriously and don't fall for bourgeois mythos.