This seems more like orientalism than an actual thing. The US is set up that way because it values capitalists above all else as a capitalist country, and this system puts them above the law.
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What do you mean by China not caring about the individual? Are you referring to how they center the working classes over private interests?
Very well said! The purpose of hierarchy in terms of how useful it is to us in satisfying the needs of all is directly connected to its necessity and efficiency when it comes to larger scales. It isn't just top-down or bottom-up, but both.
I guess I'm curious what distinguishes a textbook from a non-textbook. Both titles above were meant for academic settings, as well as for the average worker and organizer.
Be bigger than that. You don't need to make up what I said, you're more than capable of answering points I made directly.
No, that's not what I said at all, and the fact that you interpreted what I said that way is frustrating.
So you’re saying that eliminating peoples utility bills
Solar isn't going to eliminate people's utility bills any more than nuclear did, nor wind nor hydroelectric. Within the boundaries of capitalism, renewables are still privatized. Solar panels for individual home use are prohibitively expensive for the majority of the working classes everywhere, including the imperial core. If we could eliminate utility bills that would be nice, but that can't happen at scale without socialism.
giving them more resources and hope
Wages are set to cost of replacement of labor, not productivity. Organizing is more effective for winning material gains, as this is what raises the floor, not automation or improvements in productivity. Capitalists will pay as little as they can and suck up as much as they can without organized resistance, even if everyone had solar panels in capitalism.
wont help the revolution and we should disregard renewable energy
Way to jump the shark. I said we need renewables, but the idea that they will meaningfully impact revolution, outside of maybe revolutionary parties using them, is what I'm questioning. Renewables are the future, capitalist or socialist, and pursuing them in capitalism is still worthwhile, just not revolutionary.
That little steps towards a better more equitable world should not be advertised?
No, I just disagree that these steps are feasible for the broad majority of the working classes within the boundaries of capitalism, and are a privledge for better paid workers and above. Little steps are great, but we need to contextualize them with the primary task: organizing.
The proliferation of solar, under capitalism, is still bound by capitalist commodification and exploitation. Solar panels for independent use are prohibitively expensive for the average proletarian, even if they ultimately save in the long run. It's certainly good for fighting climate change, but isn't going to be used for the proletariat's benefit any more than any other technological marvel has been. The working day is still prolonged enough to keep the proletariat out of organizing.
However, this isn't the path to revolution. Not everyone needs to devote time and energy to revolutionary activity, only the major organizers need to. Lady Izdihar made a diagram of Lenin's theory of revolution:

The organizers can incorporate solar as a cost saving measure for infrastructure they set up, sure, I think thay's a good idea. I don't think it will free up the vast majority of people, though. It's the party's job to gain the trust and support of the masses, and the masses' job to be organized and carry out the revolution. This link needs to be there.
Thanks for responding! I'll gloss over the pre-separator portion, there's not much I can meaningfully respond to outside of agreeing that critique of authority is the major reason Marxists and anarchists have different means and ends.
Yes, precisely, that’s why I support no country and advocate for their abolition. This is a “gotcha” for the liberal she’s responding to, but not the anarchist who asked the question.
My biggest issue with this is that it draws no distinctions between worker controlled states and capitalist controlled states, and further ignores the problem of imperialism as the driving contradiction of the global state today.
Actually I agree with you here, namely that she expounded the Marxist argument very nicely, but she could have done that while critiquing, or at least acknowledging, or at least just not painting over anarchist concerns. Like I actually wouldn’t have said anything if she dunked on us because then at least we exist.
Fair enough, but in my view she generally has.
All states are authoritarian, and socialist states are not special just because we slap a hammer and sickle (or a circle-A, or any other sticker) on them. Some are more authoritarian than others (e.g. AmeriKKKa, Pissrael), but I’m not exactly a fan of any of any state, even when they do the right thing.
This, I take extreme issue with. I agree that all states are authoritarian, in that all states are the means by which one class oppresses others, but this itself isn't a problem. Socialist states aren't fundamentally, qualitatively liberatory for the working classes because there's a symbol of communism on the flag, but because the working classes are in charge of the state, and use it to uplift themselves and protect the gains of revolution. Bakunin's quote on the "people's stick" is similarly terrible, it obfuscates the real fact that socialism is objectively, materially liberatory towards the working classes, and that the use of authority to protect this is a good thing.
But actually, my argument is that a lot more things that states are authoritarian, including some anarchist projects, and that authoritarian tendencies are something we all need to continuously root out of every aspect of existence.
What gives rise to "authoritarian tendencies?" Hierarchy isn't inherently bad, in my opinion. Organizational structure often creates managerial positions out of necessity and efficiency, not out of a human desire to dominate, and at the scales of production and distribution that can most effectively satisfy the needs of everyone with the least amount of labor these become crucial for mitigating disaster and facilitating smooth logistics and production.
States are meant to be permanent and unbounded. If you want me to consent to be a part of your group, literally no matter how small, even a chess club, you gotta have bounds on the authority I have to grant you as a member, and you gotta be dissolvable. And not just on paper, but in reality.
States are not meant to be "permanent" or "impermanent." States are meant to uphold a given ruling class. The basis of the state is in class struggle, and when the basis of class is eliminated, so too does what we think of as the "state," as instruments of class oppression. To do so, we need to collectivize all of production and distribution, gradually. With equal relations to production and distribution, there is no class, and thus no basis for class struggle.
And I’m not even against “drastic” measures, we should be fucking destroying the bourgeoisie as hard as possible and if that makes me an authoritarian then I’m fine living and hopefully dying as an anarcho-hypocrite. Like I’m simply not interested in tolerating a future where we coexist with bourgeois nations for any amount of time, and IMO any project saying “we’ll coexist with the capitalists” (e.g. CNT at the end of the Spanish Civil War) is an indicator that the project has failed.
I think what's happening here is you're placing your ideals over what is materially achievable. There simply is no means to instantly destroy all of the bourgeoisie, unless you mean to nuke the world and hope an anarcho-primitivist society takes its place in the ashes. You cannot liquidate a class by killing them, but by sublimating the process of production and distribution, just like the bourgeoisie did when overtaking the aristocracy. The process of collectivization is gradual, not instang, and that means we will have to exist in the same world as the bourgeoisie, even if we spend that existence constantly struggling against them and trying to erode the basis of their existence through collectivization.
Another issue is that, despite the terrible things I personally want to do with my hands to the bourgeoisie, it isn’t in the best interests of the working class to actually be the most violent, most drastic versions of ourselves — in particular, in ways that pollute our future (i.e., establishing permanent, centralized, top-down, unbounded States). In my view, any communist project (anarchist, statist, or otherwise) is going to be polluted with the stench of the violence and terror that capitalists imposed on the world before it. We need to be constantly vigilant and work against those old haunts. One of those haunts is, in my view, the appeal to authority.
All societies are stamped with the old, but gradually work out those contradictions over time, dialectically. There isn't a fatalism in any future society by virtue of rising from capitalism. Further, socialist states are both top-down and bottom-up, it's both/and, not either-or, and the states themselves are transitional, not permanent. This idea of permanence itself is against reality.
I appreciate you answering, and I am not trying to be rude or mean, even if I sounded harsh on some of what I said. I do want to ask, above all else, have you studied dialectical materialism at all? Much of your analysis goes against how the world works in practice, and I think studying dialectical materialism would help greatly with reframing your analysis and giving you a deeper understanding of your own critique.
I've seen some "socialism is when the government does stuff" folks think the Nazis were socialist due to using strong state power, ignoring completely that this was in service of private interests.
Both are studied in schools, how are they not textbooks? What's the technical distinction?
He didn't predict it, but he did begin to analyze imperialism, which is why it has lasted longer than he thought it would, and which Lenin continued on. Capitalism in Marx’s age was far worse for the average laborer than the current western labor aristocracy feels. Child workers were packed like sardines into tiny rooms and forced to work over 10 hours a day, Capital Volume I describes this vividly. However, Marx only lived to see the beginnings of imperialism, which Lenin observed, and watched the imperial core export suffering to the global south and bribe its proletariat into complacency with the spoils. That’s why Imperialism, the Current Highest Stage of Capitalism is listed in the meme alongside Capital.
Further, Lenin did not live to see the consolidation of the world’s competing imperialist power into one unified international dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, helmed by the US Empire, with subservient vassal states. This happened post-World War II, and the decay in this “super-imperialism” is what is driving present conditions forward.


I don't make assumptions based on race, though, and your insistence that I do is plain libel. You completely misunderstood my point, and no matter how much I further elaborate on it, you try to flip it into being my problem when you invented a strawman to argue against.