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US Senator Lindsay Graham has just tweeted an article titled “Greta Thunberg sets sail with Gaza flotilla that aims to break Israeli naval blockade,” adding the comment, “Hope Greta and her friends can swim!”

Australian Zionist think tanker Arsen Ostrovsky somehow outdid Graham, tweeting “Oh look, the little jihadi Greta Thunberg is trying to get into Gaza, to show solidarity with Hamas. It would be so sad if something were to happen to her flotilla…”

There’s not a lot that can shock me about Israel and its supporters these days. But if you’d traveled back in time a few years ago it would be hard to explain to someone how we got to a timeline that includes Israel supporters openly advocating the assassination of Greta Thunberg.

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[–] gabbath@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Let's not underestimate Russia either: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_safari_(terror_campaign)

We are dealing with genocidal demons in both cases.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago (3 children)

More women and children killed in Gaza by Israeli military than any other recent conflict in a single year – Oxfam

Keep in mind that the Gaza genocide targets a far smaller population than the Russian invasion of Ukraine. And even then Russia isn't even close in absolute numbers. Let alone percentual numbers.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

... Over the past two decades

Not to make light of this, but it's an important distinction that should have been added to the title as it makes the difference between "yeah, that's horrible" and "yeah that doesn't sound right"

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 days ago

Israel killed more civilians in the first two months after October 7th than Russia had in two years of war

[–] gabbath@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago

I don't mean to equate the situations, they are completely different (I wrote a reply above about that just now). In Ukraine you don't have an ongoing genocide of a small population with no army on a small piece of land about which all of the west is lying while giving weapons to Russia. I was only pointing out that the aggressors in both cases are rabidly genocidal and medieval in their actions and goals.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

let's not play genocide Olympics.

yhea, even the scale isn't close, but warcrimes and genocides are unacceptable either way

[–] gabbath@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Correct. And I really don't want it to come off that way, so I apologize if I did.

I'm maybe a little anxious when Russia comes up in leftist circles since there's a tendency among some to downplay their atrocities, which absolutely do come with genocidal intent if you follow their official propaganda via state media and such. And of course on the front their soldiers commit civilian massacres, kidnap children, and whatever else they can get away with.

But yes, the scale isn't even close, like you said: Ukraine has an actual army, western backing, and can actually fight back. Meanwhile, Palestinians have been been left to literally starve to death after being bombed to death. Not only is the west complicit through silence and manufacturing consent, but they actually give Israel the bombs. The Gaza genocide is the most horrific event I've witnessed in my entire life, even from halfway around the world it has left a permanent stain on my faith in humanity.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -4 points 4 days ago

Just do you know, the liberal insistence on labelling everything an enemy country does as "genocide" is part of how the term got so muddled and confused that Israel can do an actual genocide in plane sight and not get it immediately called as such.

Russia isn't doing anything in Ukraine that the West didn't do in Iraq