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I think progressives never thought about this because we banked on immigration and demographic change allowing us to win culturally and electorally but the issue is immigrants tend to be overwhelmingly male, that is how Trump won actually he won over a lot of Hispanic,Black,Asian and indigenous men who feel humiliated by a new culture, economy and world.

So what can we do rhetorically and policy wise to win more young men over ?

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[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Why do we need a role model anyway? I'm a straight white married male with no kids and very progressive. I don't need a role model to not be a piece of shit.

[–] AnalogNotDigital@lemmy.wtf 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're a married male. People who are in their late teens/early 20's are looking for life advice and people to emulate.

[–] dukeofdummies@lemmy.world 7 points 22 hours ago

The sad thing is there's not a lot of good advice right now.

The world is VASTLY different than 50 years ago. No you can't just talk to the boss of the building and ask for a job.

The insane numbers game that job applications have become is so opaque that any advice in it is about as useful as sacrificing a goat.

Every company wants to remove as many humans as possible from its payroll. Covid and AI have proven this beyond a shadow of a doubt, loyalty means absolutely nothing now.

Just surviving in this current environment is a brand new challenge and field.

[–] notastatist@feddit.org 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nice for you bro!

But you should also think that a lot of people dont have the luck to see life as you and struggle with much stuff.

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I understand. But you also can't read one sentence about me and describe it as lucky. I had shitty abusive parents. I worked my way through college so it took a little longer. Struggled financially at times. Have lived with suicidal tendencies since my parents divorced when I was 12 and became even more shitty and abusive.

I'm only successful because of myself and the work I've put into my life to be where I am today. To me having a role model wouldn't have done or changed anything. I get that others might need it, but I don't think every straight white male in America needs a role model and is doomed to be a conservative just because they can't find one.

There are plenty of straight white males that are progressive or liberal. The ones that are conservative aren't that way just because of a shitty role model. Many are shitty in plenty of other ways.

I completely understand were you're coming from. I grew up in an incredibly disfunctional/abusive household and left at 15. I've been pretty much completely self-reliant since then. I was mostly self reliant before that. My parents idea of raising children was occasionally popping in to feed us or beat us (sometimes literally) into submission. I don't need any external input to come to my own non-shitty conclusions on things because I've always had to think for myself.

However, I was also extremely lucky to find some good male role models in early adulthood that completely changed a lot of my life, mostly by exposing me to new ideas, skill sets, and opportunities. I think, while you and I have been shaped by hardships in a way that makes us mentally resilient enough to feel like we don't need that mentorship, most young men don't have that and they're really floundering without guidance. I also think that this ultimately stems from homophobic tensions drilled into men of the last few generations that told us that platonic close relationships and brotherly affection between men is unacceptable.

So, while I agree that right wing ideology isn't the default for young men who lack positive guidance, it's a completely understandable outcome when the only available guidance they have, in a world that leaves young people with so many important/big questions, is a highly curated machine designed to lure them into a downward spiral towards far right/ fascist ideology.

[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

As a white lady I don't know who the fuck my role model is either

Role models are absolutely important, but it's more than what the op comment is saying.