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" Sorry, but I assume everybody here at least has a basic level of understanding on the political system"
I certainly do and know the pretty concept of separation of power, if you have trouble with spelling and forming coherent sentences that's another matter.
When you say "most democratic countries " That means you believe in the solely theoretical concept of democracy, it doesn't exist.
Or what countries do ypu think have that?
And LOL at using China as a negative example of FR.
England for one is far worse.
And no I do not mean the 1%ers which is a silly concept. I mean the regime/government whose rights and powers far exceed the powers of normal citizens.
Even when the theory/law doesn't say that in your imaginary democratic state.
"a consuming focussed angelo-saxton country" again, what do you mean?
That is exactly what we in the west call democracies.
It is merely an ultra-capitalist ,so consumer and profit focused concept. The rights are there on paper.
The TLDR about Anglo-Saxon vs Rheinland's is different cultures in companies and the Anglo-Saxon (mistranslated in my previous comment) mindset is more along the lines of profit and shareholder value optimalisation (you see this a lot in the English-speaking countries) and the Rheinland's model has more focus for other things like the other stakeholders like the employees. (You see this more in NL and DE, among others). The Rheinland's model isn't the greatest, it is slower because there is more to consider than profit maximisation. And pretty sure it is also worse for startups for similar reasons.
The US is also really consuming focussed, they really want you to consume aka buy as much as possible. That's why big box stores exist, and that is generally how they seem to act.
The modern NL had a good monetary head start due to our past, but in general our system is pretty decent. It will take a while to get something done and the government will fall pretty often, but everybody can get into it, at least in some levels if they get enough votes. In local politics, this isn't the hardest thing to do if you want it and believe you can make a difference. We have a lot of issues (uneven taxes, people missing out on social security due to faults of others, discrimination, etc.). But I do truly believe that our government, the rule of law and the executive power is at least pretty decent.
Edit: I don't believe the US is a good democracy in electoral votes and the mainly 2 party system. Then again the US is just to big and more comparable to the EU than to one country.
What I can say is the,name it Rheinland or W-European is less bad than the awful Anglo-countries indeed.
While there was a few decades of good social structures and conditions for workers post WW2 they have been destroying it slowly but surely.
I am Belgian, so I presume you're a NL neighbour?
I know things have been going down (a lot of you here for free education and bcs buying NL houses are unafordable) and certainly for Germans even under Merkel who made a lot of people work low wage jobs with very little protection, throw away jobs.
And again it's getting worse.
The NL government is awful and (extreme) right making awful laws.
Like Germany they are among the biggest bootlickers of the genocider state and the US terrorists.
The extreme right hasn't been able to do much in NL besides postponing getting anything done. Like I said it is slow af to get anything done in NL due to our structure, but at least the extreme right (or extreme left for the matter) will have less option to pass any actual laws.
Yes, we have issues with housing, the tax system and maybe even schooling. The housing thing is mostly because of bureaucracy and because of environment reasons, we haven't been able to comply with the EU regulations surround the environmental values. The tax system just fucks over a lot of people, either because the system is to complex for people or because it is just badly written. And the whole school thing is partially resolved and partially an issue because people didn't read that the loan was only 0% interest for the next few years and because people didn't know what their options are. Again it is a complex system and some people don't really understand it, but don't seek help either or they don't get the correct help.
There have been talks about making it easier to get the bureaucracy done for building more houses, which hopefully passes. The entire tax system will not be redone anytime soon, so people can still have issues with that, but we will wait and see for that.
Compared to most nations, yes the Dutch government is crap at the time of writing, but that is partially because we do not have a government. The previous Schoof government was also a shit show, but that's because WIlders can just play opposition and besides his extreme right statements he mostly has left leaning once so he contradicts himself half the time. He is also a one man party which doesn't help. The BBB is just a one statement party and the NSC just fell apart almost instantly, at least Omtzigt tried I gues. He was like the only person that we could vote for last time that understood how the issues with our tax system are making everything worse.
Schoof and his gand didn't need PVV to go hard right-wing.
"WIlders has left leaning once" (ones probably) but What?
Statement, arguments, points of views. Whatever you want to call it, it was in his program.
But just disregard it, him being an opposition player is a good enough reason why he failed