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More than half of Americans believe that Immigration and Customs Enforcement has gone “too far” in its pursuit of arresting migrants, according to a new poll.

While 54 percent said ICE has used its power too aggressively, the sentiment was even greater among Democrats at 83%, according to a poll by PBS News, NP and Marist.

Nearly half of Republicans, by contrast, said ICE’s actions are appropriate and an additional 31% said the agency had not gone far enough in enforcing Donald Trump’s mass deportation agenda.

The vast majority of Americans (80%) support the U.S. government's deportation of migrants without permanent legal status who have been convicted of a violent crime.

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[–] oakey66@lemmy.world 97 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Seems like the number is too low.

[–] Veltoss@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (2 children)

People have to remember the majority of Americans barely know wtf is going on in their own country. They aren't high-information like the kind of people on lemmy or reddit. They have no idea how bad it is yet.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've recently had a thought that direct democracy is possible.

I'll elaborate:

Sometimes we (humans or even societies) don't update our ideas for the new information.

Say, when I was in kindergarten, I was once sitting behind a table waiting for my mom to get me. A kindergarten teacher put a box with a puzzle in front of me. When I was leaving, I took it. It was apparently intended for another kid who had a birthday.

(I'm autistic, so I have rather early memories.)

So - I was ashamed of this for many years until I realized this was bog standard entrapment and the only thing that teacher wanted, probably, was to feel how forgiving they are and probably better than my parents.

That realization was when I revised the old idea for additional information I had as an adult.

The elaboration itself:

This can be applied to direct democracy.

It's considered impractical to have a national vote on every issue, because big countries have more stuff to deal with using laws, and because it's technically challenging, and because the crowd is unwise.

But! The general populace's ideas of what is practical and what isn't for democracies are from the times when living people would switch telephone calls.

We live in a world where you can have a national vote every day and all the facilities have been created many times, with cryptographic signatures, with highly loaded systems like those of Facebook and other social media. We can have direct non-anonymous democracy, it's not impractical.

And also the so-called Soviet democracy (not the USSR, or rather it existed purely on paper in the USSR, except its first few years and last few years) is often considered impractical, because it can be disrupted by recalling higher council members from the lower ones, putting pressure on the lower layer councils' electors, but I beg your pardon, in today's world that wouldn't be a disruption.

One could make an argument in favor of not relying upon the Internet and computers for such important institutes, but unfortunately the inverted way of using these opportunities is already embraced to effectively kill democracies.

So it's better to think of some thoroughly resilient global system of discussion and voting over the Internet, other than discard the idea.

[–] o1011o@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

I like it, let's try it. I'm sure there are pitfalls but they can't be worse than what we have now.

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