Cross-posted from "TRUE communism!" by @Muaddib@sopuli.xyz in !politicalmemes@lemmy.world
this post was submitted on 02 Jul 2025
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TBH outside of some examples like mondragon (more Basque than anarchist) and the zapatistas it kinda seems like we're getting fucking owned. The left in general seems like it's getting fucking owned. It's one of the things that keeps me up at night.
Everywhere except China/Cuba/Korea yeah
Describing china as leftist is kinda funny. They're defs more welfare oriented than neoliberal countries but after the reforms shit is a bit of a joke.
Public ownership is the principle aspect of their economy, the large firms and key industries are thoroughly owned by the state, and the proletariat is in control politically. It certainly has a long way to go as it develops through socialism, but the ultraleftism of the Gang of Four and the late Mao period were ultimately not based on materialism, but an egotistical desire to try to acheive communism well before it could actually be.
The reforms were a calculated and sober return to more traditional Marxist understanding. The Gang of Four were dogmatically high on their own supply, and thought, legitimately, that it would be better to have worse material conditions in a more planned economy than introduce controlled market reforms and achieve higher levels of material conditions and metrics for the working class.
I understand that it isn't anarchist, not by any stretch, but it appears to have paid off quite well so far. Growth is more consistent, stable, and rapid than before, and that's referring to the material conditions of the working class, not just profits.