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How to say Marx was right without saying "Marx was right".

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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 195 points 3 days ago (24 children)

Let's be clear about something; climate scientists almost universally agree that there is no such thing as "winning" or "losing" the fight against climate change (Suzuki, for the record, is a zoologist, not a climate scientist). This isn't a game, there's no referee, and no one gets a trophy at the end.

The battle against climate change is about mitigating harm. The worse we do, the more harm there will be. But there is never a point where it is "too late". The car is going to crash, but the sooner you hit the brakes, the less damaging the impact will be. Everything we do to push the needle will save lives. There is never a point where we get to throw up our hands and succumb to the comforting fantasy that it's "too late" to change anything.

I have a lot of respect for Suzuki, and I don't blame him for feeling defeated with everything that's happening, but spreading this kind of message is, dangerous, damaging, and flies entirely in the face of the science.

[–] jafffacakelemmy@mander.xyz -1 points 3 days ago (5 children)

In your car crash analogy, we are now past the point where hitting the brakes will help. The car will be irrepairably destroyed and all passengers will be killed.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

We haven’t taken our foot off the gas and legislators are stopping us from even touching the brake pedal.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

I think we're past the point of the car hitting the wall even if we brake, and the damage ruining your day. We're not past the point that braking will save lives or even make the car unrepairable.

[–] HaiZhung@feddit.org 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This is flat out wrong. In fact, the more co2 is emitted, the more extreme the consequences are. The change from 0->1 degree of global warming barely registers. The change from 3->4 degrees is catastrophical, for example.

Thus, the warmer it gets, the more worth it is to fight against it, as each small win contributes more to the bottom line than in the beginning.

Just put ice in the airbags.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's why it's an analogy, and not reality.

There is no point where hitting the brakes will not help. We can always reduce the amount of harm done.

[–] Pfeffy@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

This seems like the "comforting fantasy" to me. Or a terrible analogy.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 days ago

The comforting fantasy is the idea that we can throw up our hands and say "We lost."

Losing is easy. It demands nothing from us. Losing has no call to action. If we've lost, then there's no fight left to be fought.

The reality is that the fight is always worth fighting. And that sucks, because it means we never get to give up. We never get to say "It's over", and stop caring. Caring is a lot harder.

[–] puppinstuff@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In not an appropriate analogy. We are not just the people in the car, we are the whole neighborhood.

Even if the people in the car cannot prevent a crash by braking, they can still prevent further damage to people and property by braking as much as possible while within their means.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 1 points 3 days ago

Yeah, it's more about the people in the car taking their foot off the gas so they don't get going fast enough to crash through multiple houses and burn the whole neighborhood down. Still worth doing even if we're well past the point of hitting the brakes preventing any damage.

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