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[–] aeppelcyning@lemmy.ca 55 points 2 days ago (23 children)

Carney needs to grow a pair. I've had enough of him not saying anything. We voted for elbows up, not subservience. I'm still not clear what we got for the DST removal.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

I'm also an NDP voter that voted LPC over CPC. I knew we wouldn't get Value(s) Carney, but I do believe that if anyone is going to shift capitalism in a better direction it would be him.

As a former bouncer I completely disagree that silence is a sign of weakness or subservience. That's just good tact. Never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Elbows Up doesn't mean you should draw a penalty. You're supposed to hit them hard and get away with it.

As far as the DST. I find it interesting that a tax we never collected is being framed as a loss we deserve compensation for.

A month ago I thought bills C-2 & C-5 were overreach, and their lack of oversight definitely is... I wrote several letters to that effect. But given the continuation of Trumps annexation rhetoric, I now recognize those bills were designed for a political environment that is still burgeoning.

Based on Trumps usage of ICE I believe it's inevitable that the USA will use domestic crossings to affect some form of hybrid war against Canada. Russia & China will certainly occupy northern Canada if we don't rapidly expand our national infrastructure.

These threats, I believe, do justify deprioritizing environmental concerns, to a degree.

I think the silver lining is that Carney's energy expansion in to oil/gas is not mutually exclusive with expanding renewable energy.

I also sold mortgages for a short time and saw the industry change more in 24 months than 24 years. I agree that the least harmful economic solution to housing is to freeze housing prices where they are until cost of living and supply normalize. The alternative of housing prices drop would have a net negative effect. The CMHC in 2014 & 15 made major changes to reduce Canadian borrowing power to avoid a post mortgage crisis of mass defaults like what we saw in the USA.

I think the world is too volatile right now to expect concrete plans that aren't heavily hedged. Carney is playing the game correctly by holding Canada's cards close and not telling his bluffs.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

holding Canada's cards close and not telling his bluffs.

That's what the "just tell us what you're doing in the negotiations" crowd seems to miss.

It would be colossally stupid to put out a press release that tells the other players what cards you're holding, and what your planned strategy is.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

It would be colossally stupid to put out a press release that tells the other players what cards you’re holding

There are public commitments that indicate betrayal of Canadians, though:

  • Defense pact with Philippines is direct support for US war on China.
  • G7 statement on "Iran must not have nuclear weapons", while a platitude, is direct support for all Israel hasbara (weeks/months away since 1980s) and war on Iran. By extention, support for US and their strikes.
  • Ukraine aid is simple continuation of US proxy war on Russia, even as US "forces" colonies to pay for it, including most recent proposal of NATO buying US patriot missiles to gift to Ukraine. Dividing EU from Russia is US policy. Gaslighting people that US is a better ally than Russia is US domination of NATO.
  • Fortress Can Am and banning Chinese investment is further tying/subjugating Ontario/Canada to US without alternatives, and resulting in punishments instead of enthusiasm for the subservience.

When Trump negotiates publicly with lies and public punishment based on those lies, the private negotiations seem not just pointless, as something Trump won't listen/abide with, but more than likely a US trick to pacify us, while we get destroyed with full complicity.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.

  • Sun Tzu

Those people also don't appreciate that in the context of Trumps unpredictability no publicly made plans would remain unchanged.

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