Comic Strips
Comic Strips is a community for those who love comic stories.
Rules
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π Be Nice!
- Treat others with respect and dignity. Friendly banter is okay, as long as it is mutual; keyword: friendly.
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ποΈ Community Standards
- Comics should be a full story, from start to finish, in one post.
- Posts should be safe and enjoyable by the majority of community members, both here on lemmy.world and other instances.
- Any comic that would qualify as raunchy, lewd, or otherwise draw unwanted attention by nosy coworkers, spouses, or family members should be tagged as NSFW.
- Moderators have final say on what and what does not qualify as appropriate. Use common sense, and if need be, err on the side of caution.
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𧬠Keep it Real
- Comics should be made and posted by real human beans, not by automated means like bots or AI. This is not the community for that sort of thing.
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π½οΈ Credit Where Credit is Due
- Comics should include the original attribution to the artist(s) involved, and be unmodified. Bonus points if you include a link back to their website. When in doubt, use a reverse image search to try to find the original version. Repeat offenders will have their posts removed, be temporarily banned from posting, or if all else fails, be permanently banned from posting.
- Attributions include, but are not limited to, watermarks, links, or other text or imagery that artists add to their comics to use for identification purposes. If you find a comic without any such markings, it would be a good idea to see if you can find an original version. If one cannot be found, say so and ask the community for help!
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π Post Formatting
- Post an image, gallery, or link to a specific comic hosted on another site; e.g., the author's website.
- Meta posts about the community should be tagged with [Meta] either at the beginning or the end of the post title.
- When linking to a comic hosted on another site, ensure the link is to the comic itself and not just to the website; e.g.,
β Correct: https://xkcd.com/386/
β Incorrect: https://xkcd.com/
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π¬ Post Frequency/SPAM
- Each user (regardless of instance) may post up to five (5 π) comics a day. This can be any combination of personal comics you have written yourself, or other author's comics. Any comics exceeding five (5 π) will be removed.
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π΄ββ οΈ Internationalization (i18n)
- Non-English posts are welcome. Please tag the post title with the original language, and include an English translation in the body of the post; e.g.,
SΓ, por favor [Spanish/EspaΓ±ol]
- Non-English posts are welcome. Please tag the post title with the original language, and include an English translation in the body of the post; e.g.,
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πΏ Moderation
- We are human, just like most everybody else on Lemmy. If you feel a moderation decision was made in error, you are welcome to reach out to anybody on the moderation team for clarification. Keep in mind that moderation decisions may be final.
- When reporting posts and/or comments, quote which rule is being broken, and why you feel it broke the rules.
Banned Artists
The following artists are banned from the community.
- Jago
- Stonetoss
It should be noted that when you make reports, it is your responsibility to provide rational reasoning why something should be removed. Saying it simply breaks community rules is not always good enough.
Web Accessibility
Note: This is not a rule, but a helpful suggestion.
When posting images, you should strive to add alt-text for screen readers to use to describe the image you're posting:
Another helpful thing to do is to provide a transcription of the text in your images, as well as brief descriptions of what's going on. (example)
Web of Links
- !linuxmemes@lemmy.world: "I use Arch btw"
- !memes@lemmy.world: memes (you don't say!)
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Thanks for your replay, it was very insightful. I have to say that I do not have anything against your tool. I think it's wonderful that you created it and allowed anyone to use it. Also, I do not create comics, I just came across this post, so I don't really care about the rules in this community. I just hate that so many people are refusing any AI tool because it is AI. I also don't like how everyone is pushing AI into their products, but in my opinion there are places, where these tools are really useful. That said, I understand, that people want to ban AI generated comics. It only seemed interesting to me that as an alternative, you suggested using another tool for generating comics by computer (although there are some similarities, I know that AI tools are very different from codecomic). So lwt me repeat, codecomic sound awesome and I only wrote my comment to start a discussion.
I have one question, would it be okay to create codecomic source code with LLM?
And one final note on AI tools. Some of them are really complex. I don't use them much, but some of them allow user to edit only parts of the image with a prompt, or create an image based on user sketch, etc.
Well, we can agree to disagree. Lol! Seriously, I honestly don't have much charity for what is being called "generative AI" lately. Wouldn't be caught dead using it. (Hell, I'm a mod of the "FuckAI" community here on Lemmy. Which isn't actually saying that much because there are a lot of mods in that community. Heh. Anyway.)
But! To each their own.
Thanks! I'm glad to see some interest in it!
Well, as someone who is vehimently anti-AI, I don't really think it's "okay" to use LLMs or Stable Diffusion or whatever at all. But I wouldn't say it's any less ok to use an LLM to generate codecomic source code than to generate... I dunno... C++ source code or OpenSCAD source code or whatever. (Last I heard, the chat bots were so abysmally bad at OpenSCAD as to be completely infeasible to shoehorn into that use case. Not sure if anything's changed about that. Similarly, I'd think with codecomic being as obscure as it is with very few example code snippets out there to train on, I'd be really surprised if any LLMs out there would be even a fraction as good any time soon at codecomic even as they've ever been at OpenSCAD.)
(This is probably a good point to say IANAL and none of what I say is legal advice.)
Beyond that, I purposefully licensed codecomic under the GPLv3 on the premise that I'm not ok with anyone else distributing any portion of codecomic (or anything I Open Source, really) without ensuring the recipient has the corresponding source code. (Also, codecomic's source code has a "terser" binary form that can save space, so there is a rough equivalent to the difference between "compiled" and "source" code when speaking of codecomic code. Plus, codecomic can be used as a Go library instead of using the codecomic DSL and Go is a compiled language.) Given that basically the only codecomic source code publicly available right now is in my repository and covered by the GPLv3, any codecomic source code any LLM would be trained on any time soon would be licensed under the GPLv3. And any codecomic source code an LLM output would pretty much have to be so closely copied directly from that that I'd say it would ethically be well within my rights to demand attribution and compliance with the "source code provision" of the GPLv3. (Honestly, I'm not likely to spend money on lawyers to force the issue really. I might send a cease and desist or something if I found out that was being done, though. But you didn't ask whether one could get away with it. Just whether it's "okay".)
I know in some jurisdictions, courts have basically ruled that the copyright owners of the training data don't own the copyright on the output of LLMs trained on their work. (I think some courts have ruled that the human running/using the LLM doesn't own the copyright on the LLM's output either because to be covered by copyright requires specifically a human to exercise some amount of creativity in the creation of the work. One might be able to argue that "prompt engineering" qualifies as "creative". I hope that argument doesn't fly, but who knows what the courts will eventually decide.) But in those cases, the LLMs would be trained on data from such a diverse set of sources, under such a diverse set of different licenses, and from such a diverse set of authors that it can't really be tracked down "which works" are being copied. But in the case of codecomic, unless/until wider-ish adoption happens, I'm thinking it would be a harder sell to try to claim that LLM-generated codecomic source code isn't a derivative work of codecomic itself.
But again, if lots of people started publishing codecomic source code under licenses that don't have a "source code provision" or anything roughly equivalent, I don't think it would be any worse to use an LLM to generate codecomic source code than to generate source code in any other particular language. Hopefully that answers the question. Heh.
Yeah, I wouldn't say any of those use cases really make LLMs any more similar to codecomic, though. There's still a big difference between the two approaches to producing an image or webcomic or whatever.