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he spent all his money on fruity juice
Should have used more lime!
hell no i wanna live
fruit juice is all mostly apple anyway
bonus fun fact, lime doesn't help against scurvy. the brits started cultivating limes because it's easier than lemons, but because the steam ship took over at around the same time, travel times got shorter and nobody noticed that they don't actually have the same effect. until the 1910 british antarctic expedition when people's teeth started falling out despite carrying tonnes of limes
I need sauce for limes not preventing scurvy. I was under the impression that the Terra Nova expedition failed because they flat ran out of rations and got stuck in a storm so they couldn't resupply.
oh they failed for a whole myriad of reasons, but scurvy was one of them.
This blog doesn't support your claim at all.
You said they brought 'tonnes of limes' and got scurvy despite that.
in my defense it was primarily supposed to be a fun fact about limes and steam ships.
No, I know, that's what I'm curious about, haha. I think the expedition is a red herring here.
For all my searching, I can only turn up sources that say limes are less effective than lemons, and lemons are less effective than oranges, and all citrus is less effective than fresh mammal meat, particularly liver. I can find sources that say the vitamin c breaks down when heated, so the navy's switch from fresh limes to canned lime juice made things worse around the age of the steam ship.
I cannot find sources that say limes don't work to prevent scurvy, and was wondering if you did.
that's why i linked the article! the bulk of it is about limes. they did animal testing in the 1920s (before the discovery of vitamin C) and found that
basically, as it was used by the british navy it was completely useless.
Right. The problem is not that they used limes, it's that they did a bunch of stuff to neuter the effectiveness of the limes.
well i mean the fact that they used limes were also part of the problem, since lemon juice could actually handle those conditions. so everything else being equal they would have seen increased rates of scurvy, but the steam age saved them.
Could it handle those conditions? I was under the impression that all vitamin C degrades with exposure to heat, light, and air. I'm not seeing anything that suggests lemon juice is immune.
as i read it it wasn't immune, it just took longer.
I'm sorry, I probably should have linked what I was looking at earlier!
This suggests that limes and lemons do not degrade at a markedly different rate. Arguably, this is under modern refrigeration, and not the conditions on a 1900s era sailing ship, but I haven't seen a source for that yet. I think your namesake is a bit cooler than you're giving it credit for, haha.
Ah yes once again as usual the British are wrong.