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“BD” refers to Franco-Belgian comics, but let's open things up to include ALL Euro comics and GN's. Euro-style work from around the world is also welcome!

* BD = "Bandes dessinées"
* BDT = Bedetheque
* GN = graphic novel
* LBK = Lambiek
* LC = "Ligne claire"

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Animaleries is a 64pg book published by Fluide Glacial in 2015. It's chock full of flights of fancy like these, involving animals and familiar objects & scenarios.

Solé was first published in ~1971, evidently influenced by the psychedelic culture of the times. Some of his work is a bit much for me (the Frank Zappa 'dirty socks' piece comes to mind), but his draftsmanship and imagination are undeniably top notch.

More about him and his work here.

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[–] JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Nacktmull@lemm.ee Bonsoir, mssr! I had a problem seeing the response beyond the one you wrote (example), but I'll go ahead and answer what I can see:

  1. Is writing a prompt for an AI a form of art?

I'm sorry, but unless it's a Steven Hawking-level prompt, it's quite challenging for me to truly consider the result "art." Sorry, let me amend that-- unless it's barely 1% of what Hawking might have come up with for a prompt, which would quite possibly have still been WAY more interesting than whatever the AI models pumped out. Heh.

  1. Is the resulting image a creation of the person who wrote the prompt, the people who developed the AI, the artists whose works the AI was trained on (often without those artists consent), or the AI itself?

Well for me, the trained art of the original artists exist on a plateau high... high above the coding gurus. Further down, in the smelly muck, exist the wretched prompt-generators. It's almost like a scenario from Dante's Inferno, lol.

That said-- I feel like the writing is on the dang'ol wall. I.e., my view is becoming antiquated, and the younger gen and new AI are increasingly tossing the views of us 'old fuddy-duddies' out to the curb. :-(

[–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I’m sorry, but unless it’s a Steven Hawking-level prompt, it’s quite challenging for me to truly consider the result “art.” Sorry, let me amend that-- unless it’s barely 1% of what Hawking might have come up with for a prompt, which would quite possibly have still been WAY more interesting than whatever the AI models pumped out. Heh.

Agreed, I would even go as far as saying that writing a prompt can not be art, no matter how well written. I tend to think so, because the process of AI image generation is so complex, that while it is not actually random, in practice the process is a black box to the person writing the prompt. That makes the process virtually non-deterministic from the prompt-writers perspective. Thus writing a prompt is closer to guessing around and choosing the best of the random results, then to actually creating something, based on ones own creative vision. If at all the results are created based on the creative vision of the artists the AI was trained on and in the process those artists visions have been put into a blender and mixed into a non recognizable pulp.

Well for me, the trained art of the original artists exist on a plateau high… high above the coding gurus. Further down, in the smelly muck, exist the wretched prompt-generators. It’s almost like a scenario from Dante’s Inferno, lol.

I could not have said it better but I am also sure in the future, people who do nothing more than writing prompts, will start labeling themselves "prompt artists". However, what I could actually respect as a form of art, would be a person or collective, which develops their own AI, codes it by themselves, then personally chooses certain material to train the AI on (with consent of the creators instead of just auto crawling the web for random images) and then writes prompts for it. Compared to just prompt writing, this method would require serious effort in what I would call proper craftsmanship and even more important, the process would become more deterministic, so the results would be significantly based on the prompt writers creative vision instead of a seemingly random process.

That said-- I feel like the writing is on the dang’ol wall. I.e., my view is becoming antiquated, and the younger gen and new AI are increasingly tossing the views of us ‘old fuddy-duddies’ out to the curb. :-(

I am not worried about that, just think of music made with acoustic instruments, vinyl records, analog tube guitar amplifiers and so on. The good stuff usually stays around no matter what new stuff gets invented, sure a technology might lose it's cultural dominance but will stay state of the art for the connoisseurs and often some time after that, when people get tired with the new stuff, it even has a mainstream revival.

Edit: There is already a counter movement, check this out: This new data poisoning tool lets artists fight back against generative AI

[–] JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Thanks for the link. Data obfuscation seems like a noble effort, altho way too easy to work around in the end. Or maybe that's just my cynical take, haha.

I like your idea of an artist using a self-generative type of AI to create custom art. I *think*. I mean, I'm still not very happy about the whole situation, but your idea makes the most sense to me. Far better than the current situation, anyway.

I am not worried about that, just think of music made with acoustic instruments, vinyl records, analog tube guitar amplifiers and so on. The good stuff usually stays around no matter what new stuff gets invented, sure a technology might lose it’s cultural dominance but will stay state of the art for the connoisseurs and often some time after that, when people get tired with the new stuff, it even has a mainstream revival.

You're probably right. I think I just wanted to bitch and moan, today! >(

[–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I think I just wanted to bitch and moan, today!

No problem man, just let it out!