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Seriously. American liberals still acting totally unaware of what their country is is very on brand.
It's like taking a submarine to look at the Titanic, spending all day exploring, come back up to the surface....
And with complete and utter sincerity saying:
Like, progressives have been saying this for well over a decade everywhere.
Did people really forget about the 2016 primary already?
Liberals dismissed the 2016 primary as it was happening, that’s what I remember.
Did they ever stop? I don't think I've ever seen liberals (party or base) grapple with how sinister that primary was.
No, they haven’t, and obviously never will. The narrative seems to have switched to “yeah it sucks but move on already!”
Why the fuck would I move on when the attitude that caused this hasn’t changed at all?The exact same shit could happen today and these guys would do the exact same rhetoric bullshit they did then, so how the fuck am I supposed to be just like “yeah you’re right it’s fine now.”
It's because it is not an especially significant incident within the framework of the system. Parties are private entities with a long history of shenanigans going back to the very beginning. The parties are actually a lot more "democratic" than they have been at other points in history and the 2016 shenanigans were relatively minor. If Bernie were making a stink about it things would likely be different but he isn't so only Republicans and their allies still care. What actually matters is state power, specifically how it is organized and wielded has changed in increasingly anti-democratic ways. Liberals are definitely starting to wake up to the reality facing the US, you can see them freaking out with some regularity in various opinion columns over the past several months. The situation hasn't fully sunk in yet with all of them is all it is, there are many who are still in varying degrees of denial. There's also a huge number who are somewhat naive, barely pay attention to politics, and are largely ignorant of reality until it becomes unavoidable. As reality becomes increasingly unavoidable we will see more and more of these liberals waking up and getting radicalized. They seem to historically be slow to recognize what is happening and have to be dragged into actually fighting fascism but they should get there eventually.
If you think 2016-2025 was "normal" for a political party...
You either have no idea what that DNC was doing, or are so you g you never saw a DNC before the neoliberals corrupted it.
I don't think that. If that is what you took away from my comment you may want to try reading it again.
If you want people to read a wall of text, you might want to start formatting your comments.
Have a nice life tho bud
Are you being serious or is this humor I'm not getting? It's a paragraph. I could maybe force a break in there to make it two paragraphs but it's no where near being a wall of text.
Well maybe you should rewrite it then because calling the things the DNC did “relatively minor shenanigans” makes it seem like you don’t think it was a big deal when it very obviously was.
If you look at what went on it is not a big deal. It's obviously lame, but if you know history it is seriously tame and there is no point being pissed about it still. It's a waste of time. Bernie has moved on. Bernie wants you to move on. The whole party is a different beast in many ways now. It you are still fixating on this and bringing it up when literally no one cares except for Republicans and their proxies you are wasting your time and failing to meet the moment. Study some history if you think this was a big deal. Party politics is fucking ugly and always has been. Wasting time on this dumb shit is pointless, if all of that energy was put into infiltrating the party and learning how to wield it we could actually being making a difference.
You cannot infiltrate a party that does things like this, that is why it’s important. And Sanders is a lost cause who has largely given up on important points that matter, and I get he’s getting old but I still don’t forgive him for that.
You certainly can. The party is in its weakest state its been in for generations, there's huge sections of the country where they are barely active or not active at all. The party establishment is largely reviled right now. If a bunch of leftists starting showing up and taking over the party infrastructure it would make a difference. Acting like what went on back then has any significance to what is facing us now is ridiculous, the world is a completely difference place. Complaining about this dumb shit that happened almost a decade ago serves no purpose at all except to encourage leftists to further alienate themselves, which is the exact opposite of what we need right now.
i've been hearing about how the electoral college means that the federal government is a sham democracy since 2002, and money as political influence means we live in an oligarchy since the 90s. this is not new, just no one has been listening to the warnings of marginalized people until now when the ruling class deploys fascism to crush dissent
Ross Perot would like to have a word with you, lol