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I'm anti fascist. Voting is the only non-violent way to remove them from power. If you're not doing everything you can to do so, you might be a tanky or fascist.
Voting is not the only way and not the only non-violent way. Mass strikes, shutdown of the state economy and mass non compliance also work. This requires class solidarity tho, which we will need to reach.
Voting is probably the easiest way, which in this environment, seems pretty fucking hard. It still doesn't address the cause of all our anger. That is, our quality of life and rights being stolen.
The easiest way to do what? Remove fascism? How is that working out in the US? Surely the point can't be to "just endure fascism for four years and then surely the fascist will give us opportunity to remove him from power by voting"?
Fascism as an ideology can't be voted out. I'm saying, in an unrigged and fair election, you have the opportunity to try and vote out a fascist. Unless you think not trying and not voting is a better option. I'm not saying voting is the answer, rather, a very small part of actions we should be doing. Fascism ends in death camps and wars, not working class revolution.
I question if someone this unwilling in voting would even show up to something violent that takes way more efforts.
People showed up in 2020. A lot of them didn't show up to vote because the dems ran on "fund the police!". Some did because low information or lesser evil or w/e, but far fewer than if the dems didn't tell them to go fuck themselves.
We are both opposed to fascism. I would say you have a pacifist position. I'm not a pacifist and am unfamiliar with non-violent solutions to tankies or fascists. Are there examples of removing tankies or fascists without violence?
The only violence when the USSR dissolved was by liberals shooting the congress building with a tank, and if you consider the conditions associated with a greater drop in life expectancy than any non-war or genocide in the 20th century to be a form of violence. The only violence when Allande was overthrown was by liberals, and same with Jakarta.
Turns out if you don't use violence to defend the revolution, really bad things happen, from the immiseration of the entire population to murdering anyone left of mussulini. If you do, then liberals on the internet call you authoritarian.
If you vote out a fascist from an office, is that not removal. If you're talking about removing ideology, violence won't help at all.
Voting doesn't remove fascists from power when the only winners allowed are fascists since people refuse to actually support the non-fascist options cause "they're not viable".
It most certainly would if the spirit to resist and protect our rights and freedoms overcome the oppression. Don't give up. Neoliberalism needs to be fought tooth and nail but a Democrat won't advocate for your death for your dissent.
Except they do. Dems have been telling leftists to get fucked for decades and some decide to bow to them in hopes they can maybe one day have an imaginary crumb. Those people are the ones keeping things from getting better when everyone needs to unite and literally fight against capitalist parties and their supporters instead of figuratively and performatively fighting them.
If you want to go to war with this fascist government with half the population supporting it. Go right ahead. It's not going to end well. Trump is doing a great job at destroying the country and it's going to come to a point where everyone is on the same page. That's when action makes sense. In the meantime I'm going to my best to put the spanner in the works.
The country being destroyed started LONG before Trump. He's just a convenient scapegoat for do-nothing libs to point at this time like Manchin and Sinema were last time.
Are you minimising the amount of damage Trump is incurring? You're talking like a conservative.
Not minimizing, just saying he's not unique in regards to damaging this country. He's just as evil as every other pro-capatilist politician from either party. This country is getting fucked by him just like it was getting fucked by Biden, Obama, and Bush.
Call me whatever labels will help you sleep tonight though.
What is your own personal vision of action in the next 4 years if you don't mind me asking?
Violent uprising by the working class to take everything back from the rich that they've been stealing from us for decades. No more peaceful negotiations. They either comply or become worm food in an unmarked grave.
Fair. Any ideas in addressing the high social entropy to bring about the spirit required for such actions? This is something that has always been on my mind. That and the mechanism of transformation.
Working and growing anarchists groups both local and far away is how I've been going about it. Educating everyone you know and those you don't on how violence is what actually brings about positive change. Telling those that feel they must protest to bring something to defend themselves from the powerful and using this time to sabotage anything they can get to that will disrupt the system even a bit. We've been past the point of "peace" and "love not war" for a long time and it's time we act like it instead of continuing to live in La La Land.
Oh nice! I'm from a very rural area so I don't have access to groups like that. Just the online communities. I'm more focused on changing hearts and minds through example. How effective that is is hard to say. But I believe we need enough working class to realize we're really in a class war to make critical change.