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Wonder what Tolkien would have made of all these fan theories.
This is the first I've read this particular take, but I got about the same from my recent read of "The Hobbit". This is, at the least, heavily implied.
There's clearly a past relationship, causing loyalty, and it specifically follows the Took bloodline.
I'm sure there are other explanations than Gandalf loving and sleeping with a Took sometime in the past...but there aren't really any simpler explanations that include the familial (possibly genetic) aspect.
It could really be as simple as Gandalf and a Took Hobbit ages back had adventures and became practically brothers/sisters in arms. Perhaps Gandalf owes some kind of oath to a dying Took. But it doesn't feel like an oath in the books.
Gandalf acts like distant family.
But there's undeniably an awful lot of "Gandalf acts like an agesless great great grand uncle to all Tooks" going on.
Wrong.
Some of Tolkien's specific inspirations were the Germanic Sagas, including the Nibelungenlied and Volsunga Saga.
A theme of both is that heros are often descendants of the Aesir, specifically Odin, and Gandalf is patterned after Odin to an undeniable degree, a wise and enigmatic warrior-mage often depicted as grey cloaked, proficient in rune lore, carrying a staff or spear.
Not only that, Gandalf means elf with a stick, and a common theory for his origin among the men that knew he lived longer than mortals is that he was literally just an elf.
Tolkien may or may not have specifically intended it, but he'd certainly agree that you could read it that way with the influences he drew from, and it is also a special point of his Middle Earth (aka Midgard btw) that the history they tell isn't necessarily the history that happened. The hobbits having forgotten that it was Gandalf banging GranGran Took or mistaking him as an elf isn't just a likely theory, it's a probable one. Further, we also know that Maia WILL marry and have children from some of his other histories.
Or not, and it was just an elf who died or returned to Valinor, with Gandalf just keeping an eye on the line! He's tricky like that.
nodding Nicholsonly