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Framework flame war erupts over support of politically polarizing Linux projects (www.theregister.com)

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Six days ago, upgradeable laptop maker Framework tried to convince its fractious user community to live in a "big tent" after a Debian developer objected to the company's sponsorship of Hyprland and its social media promotion of Omarchy, with both projects associated with politically polarizing viewpoints.

Antoine Beaupré, aka anarcat, demanded that Framework clarify its political position with regard to these two projects.

Hyprland, a Wayland compositor, is led by a "toxic and hateful community," Beaupré observed, and Omarchy, a Linux distribution, comes from David Heinemeier Hansson (aka DHH), a controversial figure in the Ruby and Linux communities.

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[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I agree with your conclusion and I abhor Framework promoting either of these two projects.

But the APU in the desktop has, I suspect, a real reason for having nonreplaceable RAM. If I understand correctly, they can't achieve 8000 mt/s memory speed or the wider memory bus with replaceable RAM. And since that memory is shared with the GPU, that speed becomes important for gaming or other GPU tasks. Hence why 6400 mt/s seems to be the max memory speed for a lot of the zen5 desktop chips, at least in prebuilts

I have that chip in my laptop (the "AI" Max Pro 395+) and I don't ever use it for LLM shit. It's a very performant and efficient CPU, and shockingly good for gaming too.

So even tho I hate the "ai" branding it's actually a very very good CPU and GPU

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Framework tried to design a version that worked with SODIMM with AMD but the performance was seriously hampered, and the plan was dropped.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 9 points 6 days ago

yeah, like... They genuinely tried.

I got several beefs with framework, but this isn't one of them.

[–] MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

What I'm hearing is that Framework chose power over user-replaceability, and that really seems to go against their mission. The specs sheet on the Framework Desktop is something par for the course with another company.

I don't doubt that the Desktop is good for LLMs and gaming, but that's beside the point for me personally.