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  1. We're trying to improving working conditions and pay.

  2. We're trying to reduce the numbers of hours a person has to work.

  3. We talk about the end of paid work being mandatory for survival.

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cross-posted from: https://piefed.blahaj.zone/c/onehundredninetysix/p/449273/food-is-literally-rule

Food is literally rule

Edit: Could you please chill it with the taking everything so bloody seriously? It's low-hanging fruit leftist agitprop from c/196. It doesn't aim to be coherent with the very letter of Marx or whatever leftist group/cult-leader you prefer.

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[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

You can have agriculture without private property, sure. You CAN'T have food without work. Or devices for shitposting without work. No housing without work.

Work, and needing to work to survive, is not unnatural, hoarding the results is.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I think the second post explains how their definition of "work" differs from yours.

I think they define "work" as wage-labour.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Maybe, but then if you abolish wage-labour, you just have a different type of work needed to survive. Either you're going off-grid and living all on your own, which would mean you don't have a lot, but you're truly independent - or you're part of a society where you don't get paid a wage, but instead receive certain living conditions similar to everyone else's, and you're expected to work to the best of your ability.

Yes, working for a wage is unnatural. But then being part of a large society with super specialized roles is unnatural. We've been doing unnatural for thousands of years now.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 days ago

Maybe, but then if you abolish wage-labour, you just have a different type of work needed to survive

The point is that this kind of work is less alienating.

Either you're going off-grid and living all on your own, which would mean you don't have a lot, but you're truly independent

I'm not arguing for that, since it's not a realistic scenario.

or you're part of a society where you don't get paid a wage, but instead receive certain living conditions similar to everyone else's, and you're expected to work to the best of your ability.

Cool, where do I sign up?

Yes, working for a wage is unnatural. But then being part of a large society with super specialized roles is unnatural. We've been doing unnatural for thousands of years now.

I don't want to succumb to the naturalistic fallacy here. I think it makes people miserable, since it runs counter to our brain structure. I don't think you can say the same thing about large societies (the amount of people you interact with has a natural limit and there's a natural need for humans to be social).