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In the past six years, 19 states have made efforts to move to year-round daylight saving time. So what’s in the way?

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[–] derf82@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (31 children)

I know some think permanent standard time is best. But I respectfully disagree, for several reasons.

First, the argument for standard time is that we need the light in the morning to wake up. And, sure, that would be great. But with standard time, most people are already getting up in the dark. Sunrise only moves to 7am or later around here. A lot of people are already up earlier to get kids on buses (my bus went at 6:45) and to work starting between 7 and 8.

Meanwhile, look at what happens to evening light. Sunsets will go from 6 to 5, and many will travel home in the dark, or simply have no light when the get home, with hours to go before sleep.

The fact is, winter just doesn’t have enough light to go around. So we have to pick our poison. I’d rather get home with some light.

Second, no one considers what would happen in the summer. Here, sunrise would come at 5 am, too early and disruptive to sleep. If light would wake us up better in the winter, than it would wake us up too soon in the summer.

Third, people say we tried it in the 70s and everyone hated it. But when it happened, we didn’t just stay on daylight savings, we switched in the fall, and then back in January, an abrupt change in the darkest time of the year rather than the gradual change it should have been since fall.

And even then, many people lived it. There were people that didn’t, sure, but it is wrong to say it was universally hated.

But make we just need to compromise. Move the clocks 30 minutes and be done with it.

[–] maryjayjay@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (22 children)

On permanent dst sunrise in Boise would be at 9:20 during the first half of January.

[–] nicetriangle@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It'd be like 9:50am here in the Netherlands and I still support permanent DST. The daytime is basically our employer's time anyway, I'd rather not waste any more precious daylight on that part of the day. It really sucks getting off work and it's already dark outside. Hard not to crash when it's pitch black out by 5:30 pm.

[–] ExFed@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The daytime is basically our employer's time anyway, I'd rather not waste any more precious daylight on that part of the day.

I feel like this strikes at the heart of the whole DST vs. ST argument. As I mentioned in a sibling thread, it boils down to how much control we have over our own schedules. Instead of a mutualistic relationship, we've sold our souls to our employers. Shifting to permanent DST may be a temporary solution, but if we can't figure out a way to form healthy relationships and boundaries with work/school/etc, even those gains will eventually get optimized away from us.

[–] nicetriangle@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

That's an interesting take. I think with respect to wanting more daylight hours "for myself," perma DST is definitely a stop gap solution, but it's also legitimately achievable on the near term and has a decent amount of support.

I do fully agree that work life balance is the bigger, more significant problem but also a lot harder to tackle. Society seems to be going through a big shift right in terms of how we view our relationship with all of this. I'm glad to see more mainstream discussion about stuff like 4 day work week and UBI. Feels like attitudes are changing.

[–] maryjayjay@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wholeheartedly agree. Though school factors in a lot, too

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