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China's a leader in terms of actually hitting their emissions targets (they're hitting peak oil earlier than expected, for example), but they aren't able to use the natural gas crutch to drive down "emissions."
Methane leaks absolutely destroy any GHGe advantage natural gas has in the short term, but it's something that's completely forgotten in emissions reporting. If you adjust for natural gas' methane footprint, the GHGe reductions in the West start looking really depressing.
You are going to take china's word at face value!? Lolololol
Well, I've already established you can't take Western GHGe numbers at face value... What's your point? Trust nobody and nothing?
The west may be skewed, but believing anything china has to say is laughable.
The West's data is literally, demonstrably false to the point that it's legitimately harmful to our climate goals. In the short-term, natural gas is indisputably worse than coal, maybe even 2-3x worse. Even in the long-term, natural gas is worse than coal when looking at observed methane leakage rates. The US' emissions reductions are a fucking lie.
Meanwhile, China hasn't exactly been hiding that they're reliant on coal.
Don't live in the USA, in Canada our emissions are less than 3% of global emissions
And a good chunk of Canadian emissions (about half) are due to O&G extraction and burning fossil fuels for transportation. It's a simple problem to solve.
And destroy our economy. What about fuel for our cars and heating our homes? Getting food and necessities. Not all of us live in Vancouver Montreal or Toronto. I live in the north where people are having to choose between heating and eating. We need cars since there is a lack of decent public transportation. We need big trucks to deliver us everything. Once the turdhole government starts really cracking down, Alberta is gonna refuse the equalisation payments and eastern Canada is fucked. Same with BC if we stop mining, gas refining and cutting/processing and selling lumber. You wanna make a difference, axe the carbon tax that is unfair on a majority of Canadians and stop selling coal to China.
I bet you live in a big city because your lack of understanding what makes us our money is appalling.
None of this solves the methane problem that has a disproportionate and untracked impact on Canada's emissions.
Consider that 1.2% leakage means that natural gas is equally bad as coal over a 20 year period. Consider then that even the most optimistic estimates for leakage are higher than that. Might as well just burn coal.
So what is your plan? Let the people in the north starve and freeze? We output a tiny bit of emissions compared to the big polluters. The government even admitted there is no replacement for big trucks that do long hauls or larger machinery for industrial work. What's your plan? Go after the big polluters, stop sending people into poverty, starvation and freezing with no alternative plan. You really think the 20 years of methane output are going to be worse than the absolute destruction of the Congo and Central africa, its forests and people to get a lot of the precious metals for EVs? And as stated above EVs can bring us the food or resources necessary to survive and to keep the economy going. What will eastern Canada do without all the money the western provinces give eastern Canada in the form of equalisation payments when the entire economy shuts down. Or did you conveniently forget about that part?
China, the country that is increasing the number of coal power plants they build every year?
I mean, if someone else wants to start producing solar panels and wind turbines...
China just lies about every metric they report. GDP, emissions, poverty, etc.