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Why would it be lost? If they win the war in Ukraine because of western Europe wanting to protect Ukrainian civilians by forcing them to capitulate to the Russia, why would the same not work in the Baltics? And of course, if the Russia doesn't win in Ukraine, it will not be going to attack Baltics either. The whole conversation about Suwałki gap includes the assumption that the Russia will win the war in Ukraine.
But if it wins in Ukraine, then Russians would be idiots not to attack Baltics and Finland. (And regarding "because Russia ceases existing", I'm a bit lost. What did you mean with that?)
The original peace plan only gave the almost conquered oblasts to Russia. Of course, if Russia could influence it, minimizing the frontier would be optimal. But if it is to defend against a West that wants to conquer Russia then creating a casus belli by waging a war for it would be stupid.
It's the West that wants Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard
Here you are again talking about USA wanting the Russia and then somehow skipping from that to Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland (and maybe Sweden). Any such attack would happen with their involvement.
The original peace plan in 2022 included Ukraine sending its army home and the Ukrainian leadership resignating.
But yeah: You are linking to a Wikipedia page that tells what we know: USA has always wanted the Russia to fall. But you do that in a context where you say that Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and/or Poland "wants to conquer Russia" without telling anything about why we in these five countries would want to conquer the Russia. Your link gives no answers to that and without answering that question your argument is missing a crucial core part, without which it cannot function.
You say it's the Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland that want the Russia and that USA is willing to help. You really need to tell why the hell we five would want to conquer the Russia? With or without help from USA.
You write yourself, why Finland would be involved, out of fear from Russia. It's the same for the Baltics. Poland, apart from fear, seems to have an interest in west Ukraine so they may want to make sure that Russia can never take Ukraine back, out of the EU.
But overall, those countries are ruled by US groomed politicians who will tell their countries to go to war if the US ask for it.