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Okay, but then why not just go with battery cars? You're the only person I've heard say hydrogen cars will make a comeback, if that is what you're saying.
Hydrogen cars are dead and EVs won already. This pro hydrogen position has only ever benefited the fossil industry, and is laguhable considering the state of the industry in 2026 (gestures broadly at China). Their arguments are simply disingenuous (e.g. obviously efficiency doesn't matter because bikes are more efficient than cars, so let's all agree to use inefficient cars). Hydrogen will be a thing for some industries, but not cars.
They're creative, original arguments (AKA out there), but I haven't seen any evidence of malice.
Edit: So much of what comes at you on Lemmy is the same tired canards over and over again. If someone wants to say hydrogen is actually winning, or I dunno, that Abraham Lincoln never existed, that's fascinating.
I did not say you can't have battery cars. It is just a limited technology and would likely shrink to a niche market without subsidies.
As far as I can tell like a million people use them no problem. They need less maintenance and drive better. The limits they have only come up in niche cases, like "I need to cross the Australian outback".
There was the one commercial hydrogen car, but I only remember hearing about it from southern California where the gas stations were, and I'm not sure if it's still being made or they gave up.
Millions, sure. But that's still a niche.
It's important to note that the car itself is a luxury or extravagance. The most practical form of a car is a bicycle, which most people don't want. So inevitably, cars always become a way of showing off capacities that you don't need. Cars with any kind of deficiency get weeded out, simply because they can't show off those extra capacities. And battery cars have something like that. People will move away from them specifically they can't do things like crossing the Outback.
If you have a white collar job and live in a very urban area, maybe. They're slow and have a low capacity even with a trailer; the advantage is that they're cheap, small and lightweight, and that you get some exercise. If you're not mobile and in reasonably good health also forget it.
In terms of getting you and some cargo anywhere you need to be in a hurry, I'd guess the most practical vehicle is a small car, like the BYD Seagull or a Smart, or transit where it exists. If your personal cargo needs are elevated, like if you're a plumber, it's a full-size van.
Many people need a change in lifestyle or livelihood to adapt to BEVs. It is hypocritical to claim that people can't further adapt to bikes or at least e-bikes.
Cargo bikes exist too. You can carry significant cargo with them.
I have heard about about those, and they probably could carry as much as a small car, but do they work anywhere remotely hilly? Hauling your own weight up a hill on a normal bike already sucks, unless you're really really good at it. You could add an electric motor to do most of the work, but at some point you just have the car again. Looking at the physics, human power provides maybe 50 sustained watts, and there's only so much you can do with that.
It's a matter of degree. You have to plug in your EV, and on the rare road trips have to plan charge stops. That's it. Getting on a bike is completely different experience, and for the majority of people at least in North America, would require a relocation and complete change of architecture to really fully be possible. And a significant minority would still need motor vehicles for their job.
Can't vs. won't might be an important thing to bring up here. Even if it can and should happen...
A cargo bike can go anywhere a normal car can go. An e-bike is many times more efficient than a car. The argument used in favor of EVs over ICEVs also applies to e-bikes over EVs.
I understand that it is a matter of degree. But that means accepting that the BEV is a compromise no matter what their boosters claim otherwise. And there is room for another level of compromise, where people get out of their cars and into something even greener. If people are to stay in their cars, then we might as well stop pretending to care about efficiency.
Unless you add "but do all the same common trips just as quickly". Then having thousands of watts of power output matters.
I think you need a more exact definition of "efficient" here. If you mean energy efficient, bikes are efficient, but human and crop metabolism is not. If you mean economically efficient, the speed and capacity issues have to be factored in. They both produce zero emissions in their end state.
BEVs are still cars and create massive traffic problems. Cars are not guaranteed to be faster. We cannot all use cars for all of our transportation needs anyways, so alternatives need to exist regardless.
Humans burns calories all the time, even when resting. And you still need to exercise. Might as well power a real bike instead of a stationary bike. So this is a totally silly thing to worry about.
I agree. Energy efficiency would be an odd way to measure it on it's own.
Sure, bikes are nice in their niche, and they will probably be used more and not less in the future. And maybe that's a natural place to leave this.