When my bank sends me verification info and banking statements over Signal I'll be elated. Until then, we unfortunately have to continue dealing with email.

As is choosing operate from a jurisdiction that can comple them to collect IP addresses.

There is no such requirement. They collect them necessarily in order to function.

[–] OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Brother...its an email product though...if you can use Signal, use Signal.

The point is there is no requirement for emails sent between different proton accounts to be as insecure as they are.

This is something where there are known open source solutions that are just flat out better than what proton is using, and proton just can't be bothered. You can't fix the whole Internet, but proton just doesn't care enough to fix itself.

There is no such requirement. They collect them necessarily in order to function.

By default proton doesn't log IP addresses. They're just not needed. But when ordered to they do.

https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/06/protonmail-logged-ip-address-of-french-activist-after-order-by-swiss-authorities/

[–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What insecurities are you referring to?

But when ordered to they do.

And your suggestion is...refusing to comply with the law?

[–] OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I explained both these things in the first post you responded to.

Using email protocols between proton accounts means they need more meta data which is then given up on a search warrant.
If they cared about privacy they wouldn't be based out of Switzerland. They'd pick somewhere with more privacy rights.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And I explained to you that Proton is an email service, not a chat app.

There is nowhere that has better privacy regulations than Switzerland.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I think that when communication is between two users on the same platform, it at least could be more like a chat app. Proton distinguishes the uniqueness of this in its own documentation, so it was actually surprising to me when I heard the actual behavior isn't great. This isn't some marketing description either. It's pretty deep in their website.

Ironically, chat apps running over "email" servers actually look surprisingly private these days.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 18 hours ago

You can achieve the same level of privacy and security as chatmail by either not paying or paying with crypto.